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Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I feel the same with Wikipedia, the Norwegian articles are often better than the English ones because they often are shorter and to the point. I don’t want to read 2000 words for something that could be explained in under 100. Have been thinking of a 200word limit per article version of Wikipedia.

I'm not sure that's really in the spirit of an encyclopedia, unless you really could get all the information you had in those 200 words.

I think this would be a valid imposition on the summary sections of most pages though, they can be a little unfocused I find.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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This writer seems more concerned with not being blamed than improving students' success rates.

Why have homework grades? Well, if you don't, "they will blame you for not forcing them to do the homework."

Why have deadlines? If you don't, they "blame you for not imposing deadlines on them."

I get why someone would want to avoid blame or conflict, but it shouldn't influence what you're grading people on.

His reasoning for participation grades is bogus.

1. Classes are not better if everyone is talking and asking questions. Often, this actually causes class to move more slowly and cover less ground and questions would be better after class one on one.

2. He doesn't want kids to act up and is punishing the kids that do by removing their future opportunities, which is not great because the kids most likely to act up are the ones most likely to have learning difficulties or hard home lives. So this makes things worse for kids that need the most help.

3. Participation grades are arbitrary and a tool for control. The initial arguments for other grades about how they can't be arbitrary and you need to be rigid are thrown out the window with participation grades.

4. You don't really have a major freeloader problem in classes, in part because it's not a commons. It's managed and controlled by one person or an administration. It is my opinion that it is unnecessary to punish what freeloading exists, which is what participation grades do.

5. Participation grades are not really an incentive, they are a penalty. If you make participation worth something you are forcing people to participate if they want the same grade they would have previously gotten without participation. You are penalizing non-participation by lowering their grade. For it to be a pure incentive, they would need to get extra points or something for participation, but they don't.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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Sounds like ruining the system for everyone because a minority of abusive, lazy, or incompetent students. That doesn't seem reasonable at all, and it sounds like the root cause needs to be addressed.

That minority is not going to be spoon fed when they enter the real world.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Older people knowing better than younger people is one of those heuristics that's almost always right [1]. It's hard to tell the difference between a stupid kid and a stupid parent, because stupid parents are rare. Yet people keep searching for stupid parents, because it's really important to find them when they exist. There's a constant rate of kids pulling false alarms on their parents, but you don't want to ignore…

Maybe I was just unlucky, but that isn't my retroactive judgement on my childhood at all. My experience was one of mostly adults making me do something that is really down to subjective preference because that was their preference. And now that I'm an adult and can make my own choices I'm much happier about it.

I’ve recently become a new father and have listening to a Cat Stevens song that your post reminded me of:

“If they were right, I’d agree, But it’s them they know, not me.”

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I ran my class like a job (senior level interactive media). We had assignments with deadlines and I did PR reviews. Deadlines are deadlines. Cut scope, features, etc but absolutely no late work. You can guess how it went.

> I ran my class like a job... Deadlines are deadlines. We were having a conversation at my college about deadlines at some training thing and someone pointed out that almost no job is like that . That movie scenario where the guy has a big presentation, but it's also his daughter's dressage recital or whatever, and if he misses the presentation he'll lose his job? That doesn't happen. In the real world, you just say…

>That movie scenario where the guy has a big presentation, but it's also his daughter's dressage recital or whatever, and if he misses the presentation he'll lose his job? That doesn't happen.

Sure it does. If you are scheduled to present to a major client you can't easily reschedule for next week. Especially if it's presenting something that will have impact. Now you probably won't lose your job if you tell your team why you can't make it and it's legit but frankly you may if you no-show.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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And most of the students are amazingly gracious and drop the issue. But some don’t, and they keep complaining and asking for regrades, and if those aren’t accepted they (or their parents) contact the principal/chair/dean/ombudsperson, who are required to have an investigation.

Reminds me of The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

But it's the other side of the coin

The minority rule will show us how it all it takes is a small number of intolerant virtuous people with skin in the game, in the form of courage, for society to function properly.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I have taught at college and university in STEM subjects, and also professional corporate training courses on software development to senior and lead engineers for about a dozen . And I will say that universally, every single class runs the exact same way. There are those that want to learn, and there are those that are killing time and will argue with you until they are blue in the face that they deserve a different grade, and they have come up with more excuses and reasons why something wasn't done than I could think up in a decade.

When I used to teach at college and university I would think "there's no way you are ever getting a job in this field" and then when I did professional corporate training I would think "I have no idea how you keep your job, but I do know that if I showed up for an interview, you wouldn't give me the time of day."

You can argue with "well maybe you're a lousy teacher" and whether that is true or not, it doesn't account for the flat out denial and debating, and dare I say it, outright lying, about why the assignment wasn't done.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I taught college CS for 10 years before moving to industry. Cheating wasn't a huge problem, but I did run have some issues. Gave a makeup exam to one student with an altered programming problem than the original exam. The student answered the original problem, not the one on the exam they was given. That made it very clearcut. I also had a written requirement that students must be able to explain their homework progr…

Most professionals don’t know parts of their SO copy pasta code does either

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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What’s wrong with doing the things that your more mature, logical self actually wants instead of what your younger, uninformed self thought you’d want? There’s nothing stopping you from eating ice cream for breakfast, spending all of your money on Lamborghinis, and playing video games all day. As an adult you realize that those things won’t actually bring you true happiness and those decisions will cause significant…

The root of it, for me, is that most of my choices as I grow older are compromises for the sake of ease, or from of a sense of obligation to my wife and kids. Like I recognize that different, harder choices could make me richer, or leaner, or more accomplished, or whatever, but I'm often exhausted and such choices would often be harder on everyone else in the family too. So rather than ice cream and Lamborghinis and…

> and everybody watches too much streaming video, and sleep and exercise are things I do only after everything else is done

I don't know, this kind of feels like the adult version of ice cream for breakfast.

Maybe what you're describing is the difference between dreaming something and actually doing it. There's nothing forcing any of us to watch a ton of streaming video other than our own choices, although it's hard to decide to go out and do something different once you're in that habit.

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