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Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by astrange »

xenadu02 wrote: post #234
naikrovek wrote: post #179

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nah, hidpi on Windows is fine if you know what you're doing as an application developer. it's those who haven't bothered to make the changes recommended or required that make windows hidpi support look worse than it is in single-monitor setups. multiple monitors on Windows with varying dpi scales is not great though, and probably can't be until some backwards compatibility promises are broken or expired.

> nah, hidpi on Windows is fine if you know what you're doing as an application developer. Many (most?) don't or can't be bothered so the end result in practice is that it doesn't work. Microsoft has been chasing the HiDPI fairy for decades and the situation hasn't really gotten better. They still ship software (both in and outside the OS) that isn't HiDPI aware. Retina prioritizes making it easy for developers to ad…

> Microsoft has been chasing the HiDPI fairy for decades and the situation hasn't really gotten better.

Well, I want to say it has gotten better. Their Metro design is what a UI has to look like to work with arbitrary scales and still solve those problems I mentioned. The downsides are it uses simple geometric shapes and has tons of whitespace everywhere so text can reflow in longer languages.

This is probably another big reason behind “flat design” in modern websites, the old skuomorphic (sp) stuff would be hard to do with vectors.

(As for vectors in UI, they have other performance issues which are important if you like live resizing windows.)

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by hultner »

DCKing wrote: post #236
digisign wrote: post #169

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I have a 24"(61cm) 4k Dell monitor with Ubuntu... it is a bit unique these days, don't think there are many others around. Mostly happy with it, but... I'd rather have higher density like the laptop it is connected to, with 4k. Perhaps 200dpi 3:2 or 16:10 around ~22"(56cm) diagonal that can do portrait would be my preferred monitor. Haven't seen that around unfortunately.

I've been searching for those, but they're unobtanium even second hand. I suppose no-one wants to get rid of these monitors once they have them, because there's no replacements you can buy.

Yeah, I used to have 3 of them, really miss them. Got 2x5k now but really prefer the 21.5” DCI-4k.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by shadowfacts »

015a wrote: post #242
yurishimo wrote: post #226

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Except if you compare it to the LG 5K, it's worth the extra cost in build quality alone. The LG monitors are notorious pieces of junk with flaky connectors that come loose like clockwork. The new Studio display is expensive, but I think the features somewhat justify the price compared to the "competition".

You're speaking very confidently about the build quality of a display which was announced to the public two hours ago.

It's not hard to beat the notoriously bad build quality and reliability of the LG UltraFine and Apple has a track record of building solid displays (I have an LED Cinema Display that's going on 13 years old with nary a single issue).

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by brailsafe »

shadowfacts wrote: post #253
015a wrote: post #242

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You're speaking very confidently about the build quality of a display which was announced to the public two hours ago.

It's not hard to beat the notoriously bad build quality and reliability of the LG UltraFine and Apple has a track record of building solid displays (I have an LED Cinema Display that's going on 13 years old with nary a single issue).

I think your experience has been a constant of most Apple products for the last 22 years or so. Some people have no issues ever, some people have constant issues all the time. That said, I loved the Cinema displays and they did have a good track record, but if memory serves, the Thunderbolt Display variant was notoriously flaky [0]. Since they've put out so few external displays, it does stain their reputation a bit.

[0] https://superpixel.co/apples-thunderbolt-display-worst-apple...

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by infinityio »

chimen wrote: post #125
ThePhysicist wrote: post #121

I wish they wouldn't make me scroll through two pages of animated backgrounds just to see the actual monitor. That said if I would spend this much on a monitor I would prefer the Samsung Odyssey Neo, which has a 5K resolution on a curved 49' display with a 240 Hz refresh rate, HDR 2.000 and G-Sync/Freesync. I guess the color space coverage is not as good though, and it's not as bright at 420 nits, though that's more…

Toilet paper monitors. Can't be serious with that. Here's a good one: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-40-curv...

only 60hz though, which might be a dealbreaker for some

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by julianbuse »

pclark wrote: post #183

Can anyone help me understand how I'd connect this to a PC? Would I need a GPU with Thunderbolt 4 or does the motherboard need Thunderbolt 4 and the PC somehow magically utilises the GPU via that motherboard display anyway?

If the prodisplay xdr is anything to go by, you wouldn't. That could only connect to PC's with thunderbolt, but because the monitor controls were built into macOS, you couldn't change any settings or use it at its native resolution.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by hultner »

yurishimo wrote: post #226
015a wrote: post #221

For me, its frustrating to not see an option without all the webcam, microphone, octuple speaker array, A13, 100w charging, TB hub, madness. I have to imagine that adds significant cost, and at $1600 we're not in the territory where this stuff can be included just 'cause. I like it, but I imagine some professionals would like to do what Apple's marketing images all show; buy two, maybe even three. I'd love to have on…

Except if you compare it to the LG 5K, it's worth the extra cost in build quality alone. The LG monitors are notorious pieces of junk with flaky connectors that come loose like clockwork. The new Studio display is expensive, but I think the features somewhat justify the price compared to the "competition".

I’ve had 5 ultra fines since they were released in 2016/15ish, both 3x4k 21.5”, and now 2x5k 27”. Never experienced any issues, build quality is quite high in my opinion and the stand is surprisingly solid, much better then my Dell UltraSharps and LG UltraWide.

Of course not at the level of the Apple Displays but they are really outliers in the industry.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by hultner »

015a wrote: post #221

For me, its frustrating to not see an option without all the webcam, microphone, octuple speaker array, A13, 100w charging, TB hub, madness. I have to imagine that adds significant cost, and at $1600 we're not in the territory where this stuff can be included just 'cause. I like it, but I imagine some professionals would like to do what Apple's marketing images all show; buy two, maybe even three. I'd love to have on…

So you’re asking for the LG UF 5k?

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by o_m »

notriddle wrote: post #232
o_m wrote: post #175

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They could have made it 90hz then

Running a program with fixed-rate 60hz (a lot of games) would cause judder. It's the same sort of reason they don't do 150% scaling; you want integer multiples of the "low-fi" version so that you can upscale without artifacting.

A little Pro Motion would've fixed that
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