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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by dane-pgp » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:08 AM UTC

nxm wrote: post #153

andrewjf wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because voters just didn’t like you that much. What you're saying is only true in a dream world where gerrymandering, closing polling places, and preventing access to ballot boxes (in-person or otherwise) isn't happening. Unfortunately this isn't the case. So, no, you are wrong.

By gerrymandering I hope you’re including Democrats in NY state

Instead of trying to "both sides" gerrymandering, why don't you work out how many votes it takes on average for a Democrat to win an election, and how many it takes a Republican. With that information, you can infer which party has the most motivation to end gerrymandering.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by anselm » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:09 AM UTC

throw_nbvc1234 wrote: post #100

jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

Just wait until GPT3 deep-fake audio. Closely followed by Deep-fake video. And algorithms will amplify this content to the echo chambers that "want" to hear it to increase ad revenue a few percentage points. All this will enter society at a time when trust in institutions is already low; you already hear some people predicting that there may not be an election with uncontested results (in the USA) ever again. If we s…

The minute fakes are a serious issue we will sign utterances. Exactly the same as DNS or anything actually important. Deepfakes will not be a threat or issue.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by cryptonector » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:09 AM UTC

virgildotcodes wrote: post #227

cryptonector wrote: post #158

If it's nonsense, then why censor it? If it's not nonsense, then why censor it?

> If it's nonsense, then why censor it? Because people believe the nonsense and then storm the capital, and/or support overturning democratic elections in order to allow would-be dictators to seize power. Misinformation can have a serious and deeply negative impact on the world, and the general public is clearly not immune to it.

Specious argument. First of all, the democrats did a lot of calling of elections into question, and so have republicans, and so what? Second, there has been an enormous amount of violence in the U.S. in the past several years, and the vast majority of that did not happen on 2021-01-06. Third, "storming" of capitols is a thing that has happened plenty in the U.S., and fairly recently too, once in the past year alone in Georgia, and in Wisconsin in 2010, and so on.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:09 AM UTC

Thorentis wrote: post #112

This is what "private companies can do what they like" results in.

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by psychlops » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:10 AM UTC

jmull wrote: post #220

dayvid wrote: post #127

It's scary how many of the systems we were worried about in China (e.g. social credit system, censorship, etc.) are basically being created now in the west through the proxy of critical companies blocking access and/or working together.

I don’t get why people think youtube should be forced to host stuff they don’t want to host. Youtube should be socialized and forced to become a content-neutral storage? But why?!? We have the internet, where you can rent or run your own server and storage and post your conspiracy theory videos.

Companies with monopolistic power and revolving door political hirings need to be held to a different standard as they are beyond competing for views and shape narratives.

It doesn't matter whether they are shaping it politically or profitably or via AI for clicks. It isn't neutral and drowns out or outright eliminates competing views.

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Post by mkr-hn » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:10 AM UTC

jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

I think what's changed is that the ability of a few outlets to control the narrative is diminished. The interstate always cut through poor communities. The bridges were always designed to keep buses from carrying people out of the cities to the suburbs. Certain demographics were always over-represented among the poor, and the policies responsible were always there. (US examples, but systems keep some people down for the benefit of others everywhere.)

But now you hear about it. The world you planned for was always an illusion. It never existed outside a narrow slice of time in post-WW2 peace and prosperity, and only for the thin slice of humanity that got to enjoy it. Now the hard part is: what do you do about it now that you know you were fed pleasing lies?

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Post by bitexploder » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:10 AM UTC

nradov wrote: post #204

AaronFriel wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the things you wrote as good things are (mostly) good things, glittering generalities that have no bearing on whether hard times are good or bad. To connect the two, you'd have to complete the scurrilous reference made that we are currently in a time of "weak men". You may or may not be aware that the "Hard times..." meme is widely used among not just stoics, but also fascist groups to suggest that the current…

Being stoic doesn't mean you lack feelings.

Stoics in fact embraced emotions and feelings. It is a common misconception that Stoicism means to blunt your feelings. It’s a long explanation, but it basically encourages you to live in the moment and leave every day fulfilled.

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Post by octoberfranklin » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:10 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #209

another_story wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit different considering the west has alternatives which are not blocked, whereas China doesn't. You can even spin up your own sources and serve whatever you want,a right not afforded the average Chinese citizen.

Given the centralization and collusion of payment providers, I don't think that holds.

Why downvotes?

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Post by billfor » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:10 AM UTC

jmull wrote: post #220

dayvid wrote: post #127

It's scary how many of the systems we were worried about in China (e.g. social credit system, censorship, etc.) are basically being created now in the west through the proxy of critical companies blocking access and/or working together.

I don’t get why people think youtube should be forced to host stuff they don’t want to host. Youtube should be socialized and forced to become a content-neutral storage? But why?!? We have the internet, where you can rent or run your own server and storage and post your conspiracy theory videos.

Because, like telephone companies youtube can be considered a monopoly and classified as a common carrier, as some states and proposed federal laws have argued.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by flyingcircus3 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 2:10 AM UTC

mythrwy wrote: post #226

flyingcircus3 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the falsifiable hypothesis of the stolen election? There's nothing coherent about an ever evolving list of grievances. I'm convinced this is by design. If there were a sound theory, it could be disproven. But if its just a nebulous collection of disjointed complaints, the wound can stay open forever, which is the actual goal.

Lack of signature matching, mail in ballots with little to no oversight, removing poll watchers from one party and video of ballot harvesting are all things that happened. It doesn't "prove" a stolen election but it does raise suspicions.

"Removing poll watchers" was in response to those poll watchers intimidating the poll workers. The lack of signature matching/oversight is not evidence of wrongdoing. Its the possibility that wrongdoing might not have been caught. Once again, none of this is a falsifiable hypothesis. It's simply a list of grievances designed to erode trust.

I'm not familiar with ballot harvesting.