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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by ashwagary »

dragonwriter wrote: post #248
ashwagary wrote: post #245

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I agree. If we are being completely honest, the last 3 presidents attacked important information from getting out to the public in varying forms and degrees.

> If we are being completely honest, the last 3 presidents attacked important information from getting out to the public in varying forms and degrees. If we are being completely honest, we won't pretend the last three (whether you mean Obama, Trump, Biden or Bush, Obama, Trump) were special in that regard.

That's a fair point. Many of the 45 presidents engaged in similar behavior but recent technology improvements have made noticing it much easier.

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Post by koshergweilo »

areyousure wrote: post #202
pohl wrote: post #185

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Yes, it's the same trans-national crime syndicate. It's the same war, even – it's just recently became kinetic. Amazing the ROI that Vlad got from TFG.

In case anyone is curious, it appears that ROI = "return on investment", Vlad = Vladimir Putin, and TFG = "the former guy" = Donald Trump. It appears to be the ~4th time the latter abbreviation has been used on this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27920739

Thanks for the translation. I'm pretty new to HN, is mentioning Putin or Trump by name a surefire way to get banned or something?

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Post by rsynnott »

jagrsw wrote: post #134
vernie wrote: post #93

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What TVs are made in Russia?

I used to have Viesna (spring) - https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/ussr-tv-vesna-c-276-3d-... It even had an additional electronic component which made it accept PAL signal, in addition to its native SECAM. PS: Some say SECAM was technically superior to PAL, but dunno.

SECAM had somewhat better colour accuracy, but was difficult and expensive to work with (at least until digital editing showed up, but it was a bit late by then...)

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Post by koshergweilo »

honkdaddy wrote: post #174
ajross wrote: post #98

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Curious what you're citing here? The american right obviously has an extremely robust selection of sources to choose from in every medium there is. You can read Breitbart or watch Fox, you can find multiple radio stations with talking heads in every market. You can find fellow travellers on Facebook or 4chan (or right here). The biggest podcast in the nation pushes a mostly conservative line. I mean, I'm sure that so…

Are you talking about Joe Rogan? He’s not a conservative.

He never said he was, he said Rogan "pushes a mostly conservative line" which from my understanding seems to be true, at least regarding all major issues in the past year or so.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

hunterb123 wrote: post #241
micromacrofoot wrote: post #240

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they’re easy categories: government enforced censorship (ie lose your freedom for disobeying) vs private businesses’ editorial discretion (ie just get your news from another company)

Just because you outsource censorship to tech companies to get around the 1A doesn't mean it's not censorship. The "muh private companies" argument ended long ago when government officials started using it as their main platform and we applied archive rules and prevented Trump from blocking people: https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-cant-block-twit... You can't have it both ways. Let's investigate why they…

Go get the laws changed then, not sure what to tell you if you don’t agree that there are significant differences between the state and private business - free speech as defined by our constitution is rather specific. Complaining about it on the internet won’t change that.

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Post by hunterb123 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #255
hunterb123 wrote: post #241

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Just because you outsource censorship to tech companies to get around the 1A doesn't mean it's not censorship. The "muh private companies" argument ended long ago when government officials started using it as their main platform and we applied archive rules and prevented Trump from blocking people: https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-cant-block-twit... You can't have it both ways. Let's investigate why they…

Go get the laws changed then, not sure what to tell you if you don’t agree that there are significant differences between the state and private business - free speech as defined by our constitution is rather specific. Complaining about it on the internet won’t change that.

We're talking about ideals not legality, what is and isn't censorship.

It's legal in Russia to do what Putin is doing, that doesn't make it not censorship.

But yes, we're working on it, it starts with public discussion and communicating with our representatives, which I and others do.

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Post by sonotathrowaway »

EtherTyper wrote: post #46
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Or for a more concrete example, look at how both Republicans and Democrats are treating Julian Assange. Investigative journalism and whistleblowing are under attack by all political factions and by the justice system, today. We cannot treat anti-free-press authoritarianism in the West as an "early stage" or tomorrow's problem.

I wish people would stop trying to remake Assange into a journalist, he’s not, Pompeo was correct when he called Wikileaks an intelligence agency.

It’s especially sad trying to cite him in this context, as we already know that he censors and threatens whistleblowers who ask him to publish documents on Putin.

Coincidentally enough, he has signed a contract with Russian state tv for his own tv show. He’s also been confronted about these facts and doesn’t bother denying any of it.

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Post by sonotathrowaway »

ashwagary wrote: post #247
malfist wrote: post #70

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Julian Assange isn't a journalist though. He was a contractor trusted with protected information which he then publicized. There's a big difference between a journalist finding and publishing information, and a mole in our government sharing our secrets with people. And that's ignoring the whole rape thing with Assange.

My understanding is the fake rape charges were dropped. I expect it could've been an attempt at character assassination by certain governments with a long history of this kind of attack.

America should have just threatened to murder him like Putin did. Maybe then he would’ve worked for the US, instead of signing a tv deal with Putin.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

hunterb123 wrote: post #221
micromacrofoot wrote: post #219

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When a media agency internally decides not to publish something it might be biased, but that's generally not considered censorship. Censoring can be biased, but not all bias is censorship. Russia participates in censorship on a state level with its own state-run media agencies. These things are not equivalent. The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets.

The censorship was Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube blocking it all at once before the election. The media helped by downplaying it and going with the Russian disinformation/hack lie. Playing semantics over whether omission of truth is bias vs. censorship doesn't make a strong argument.

It's not semantics, it's constitutional law. Literally the founding principles of the country.

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Post by hunterb123 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #259
hunterb123 wrote: post #221

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The censorship was Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube blocking it all at once before the election. The media helped by downplaying it and going with the Russian disinformation/hack lie. Playing semantics over whether omission of truth is bias vs. censorship doesn't make a strong argument.

It's not semantics, it's constitutional law. Literally the founding principles of the country.

You're mixing up the concept of censorship with the 1A.

The 1A guarantees the right that our government won't censor us.

It only pertains to the government, not these two instances involving social media behemoths and Russia.

Just because something doesn't violate the 1A doesn't mean it's not censorship.

Are you saying Putin isn't censoring information since it's legal for him to do so in Russia?

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