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Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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We had over 400 for the first time today. Soon our Covid free status will end. Omicron is unstoppable.

Omicron is not unstoppable. See mainland China. See Taiwan.

Trusting the numbers that come out of China, yeah right.

Taking a look at your post history, you seem to spend a considerable amount of time defending China, what's up with that?

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Do you know if the immune response from the vaccine also causes that damage or not?

The vaccine never (< 0.05%) causes hospitalization, so it never causes serious damage to the cardiovascular system.

No post body was provided.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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What has Taiwan done that NZ has not?

China has applied the rules to everyone(although you get really fancy quarantine facilities if you're important). There is also interprovince quarantine requirements. Apparently Taiwan is playing with fire again. They have 3 weeks of quarantine(two in real isolation and 1 where you have to avoid crowds yourself), but apparently contrary to official policy some business travellers have been offered 3 day quarantine(th…

Yeah my wife went back to China to visit family recently, and on arriving in Shanghai had a 21 day quarantine. To even be able to fly there she had two COVID tests prior to leaving UK, and one when she arrived in Finland (on way to China).

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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> For example, people in the contemporary control group weren’t tested for COVID-19, so it’s possible that some of them actually had mild infections. How doesn't this completely invalidate the title? If we aren't actually comparing between a group that provably did not have COVID and one that did, we can't possibly draw any conclusions about the effect of having COVID compared to not having it at all.

Isn't it the opposite? If there's a strong effect in "had COVID" vs "probably did not have COVID", doesn't that prove that there would be an even stronger effect in "had COVID" vs "definitely did not have COVID"?

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Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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There were lots of reports of blood clots, heart attacks, strokes etc in Spring 2020 Perhaps you should go back and read more of the reports at the time You might also want to read the reports on vaccine effectiveness and side effects

Well, I guess all those football players and kids got unlucky then, right? People were dying all the time, but suddenly when the vaccines came, we started seeing videos of football players dropping dead on the fields. What a coincidence right? Well to be fair, we did see people shaking on the ground and convulsing in China and other places in the very early days of the pandemic. I'm sure that wasn't just bullshit rig…

> we started seeing videos of football players dropping dead on the fields

You're saying that as if we didn't see that before. We have.

Hell, there's even a Wikipedia list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer...

The only thing that changed recently is that the list now includes players that played in like the 3rd league in Indonesia, and neither the player nor the club they're playing for are relevant enough to have a Wikipedia page.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

Pre-omicron, it did. Australia and New Zealand were pretty much at the herd immunity threshold from vaccination, before even getting much third dose coverage or vaccinating children. Omicron is sufficiently immune-escaping that it changed that, but I continue to be surprised how many people don't realise that the vaccines were actually very effective at preventing infection and transmission for pre-omicron variants.…

I'd say pre-delta, but that doesn't change the core message: mutation moves goalposts, deal with it.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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While this was a case of omicron (which is more flu-like in terms of which parts of the human body it targets), pre-omicron variants of Covid were certainly very different from the flu, and in particular more likely to target the nervous system. And a lot of respiratory viruses (both flu and other influenza-like viruses) do cause major effects on the human body sometimes. E.g. when I got hit with the flu in 2009 (mig…

Having an effect on the lungs makes sense to me - its a respiratory illness. But why would a respiratory disease cause blood clots?

It's not a "respiratory illness". See Barrin92's response to you.

That suggestion is also implicitly dismissing all the people who had lingering effects long after COVID and long before vaccines.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts and puts others in danger, yes. Pretty straightforward actually. Those posting this nonsense ignore the facts, so ignoring them seems prudent.

>If your “opinion” is contrary to observable facts

I'm sure that is the same reason why many once people believed the earth was flat, or that the earth was at the center of the universe.

It's very arrogant to think that "the science" and "the facts" are always right. Any scientist worth their money understands the importance of challenging the status quo. Unfortunately nowadays, especially on the topic of COVID, challenging the status quo is enough to be considered a pariah by narrow-minded people like yourself.

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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COVID and the autoimmune response to it damages the endothelial layer of your cardiovascular systems. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/ATVBAHA.121.316101 and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00819-6 The big question is how quickly and completely can that layer restore itself? If damage accumulates over time and people are catching new variants every 3-4 months it is only a matter of time before morta…

Bad news is that heart muscle doesn't rebuild, like how our body muscles do. But a doctor can ensure how much of our fear is right.

Funny enough, one of the original MRNA treatments developed my Moderna was something that would temporarily activate stem cell generation around heart tissue. Sounds like in testing, the mice that got the treatment after having a heart attack were much less likely to have subsequent heart attacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4-DMKNT7xI

Re: Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case

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Ugh, do you not realize that the vaccine does not stop you from getting and transmitting the virus?

Pre-omicron, it did. Australia and New Zealand were pretty much at the herd immunity threshold from vaccination, before even getting much third dose coverage or vaccinating children. Omicron is sufficiently immune-escaping that it changed that, but I continue to be surprised how many people don't realise that the vaccines were actually very effective at preventing infection and transmission for pre-omicron variants.…

You need to provide sources. Even before Omnicron, protection against Delta infection and transmission wasn’t that great. And Delta started to spread before vaccines were widely available. It was unavoidable.
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