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Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by andrew_ »

cronix wrote: post #75

So I never created a Twitter account. Over the years, there are a few people that I liked to read their thoughts on Twitter, so I'd manually go to their wall and read occasionally. They're all verified. Over time, it became cumbersome to continue doing this and I thought I'd give in and create an account (on the website) so that these people were all easy to access from a single point. So I did, and went and immediat…

verified account status these days is meaningless. most of the truly interesting, unique thoughts come from accounts that are not. this is of course my own take after having been on the platform since 2010.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by ericmay »

beebmam wrote: post #240
lordnacho wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could argue they filled out their niche. Took the VC money, made the thing global, does what it says on the tin. The world now has a broadcast-short-messages service that can be used by people to reach their audience. Unfortunately that's not enough, since these tech firms tend to be priced to eat the whole planet, thus requiring a lot more than going global with a little thing that works.

They're not even remotely priced at the magnitude to eat the whole planet. And yet, their market IS eating the entire world (except China, due to insular political reasons). That points to me like they're significantly undervalued.

When you say they are you referring to Twitter specifically or social media/US tech companies in general?

If you mean Twitter specifically I'd be interested in reading your thoughts on the "bull case" for this takeover. I like Twitter and use it to shout into the void from time to time. I wonder if it's just like.. a company and not a growth company? Like what if we just had Twitter with some monetization and then it just paid out dividends to shareholders? Why is that such a bad thing?

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by riffic »

lordnacho wrote: post #180
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #160

As a heavy twitter user who mostly enjoys it (I'm very particular of who I follow), I just don't understand what they've been doing all this time. Their product has been incredibly stagnant for years save for the occasional feature here and there and some styling. They've screwed over devs trying to build on their APIs and eroded all trust along the way. New features have been rolled out haphazardly, and they totally…

One could argue they filled out their niche. Took the VC money, made the thing global, does what it says on the tin. The world now has a broadcast-short-messages service that can be used by people to reach their audience. Unfortunately that's not enough, since these tech firms tend to be priced to eat the whole planet, thus requiring a lot more than going global with a little thing that works.

> world now has a broadcast-short-messages service

Twitter is a company that has a track record of both user and developer hostility. They shouldn't be this for the world, and they don't need to be either.

I like to say if you're skating where the puck is going to be, you should be skating towards running your own software that speaks ActivityPub.

By you, I don't mean you per se. I mean organizations with budgets who would typically be assigning email accounts and that keep an LDAP directory.

Twitter could even sell a white-labeled version of this and manage it on your behalf on their own servers.

Some of the target organizations may not want to be subject to rules applicable to American corporations. They're free to operate something like this outside those bounds and use an interoperable protocol.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by Nitrolo »

patentatt wrote: post #197
robryan wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Reddit mobile website might be the worst. Every aspect of it is geared to making it as annoying as possible to use so that you are forced to download their app (or go find a better 3rd party one).

old.reddit.com still works, and the day they disable it is the last day I am a Reddit user (which I have been since the YC days, as an original disaffected digg user)

On mobile i.reddit.com is probably a better fit.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by saagarjha »

RoddaWallPro wrote: post #221
cronix wrote: post #75

So I never created a Twitter account. Over the years, there are a few people that I liked to read their thoughts on Twitter, so I'd manually go to their wall and read occasionally. They're all verified. Over time, it became cumbersome to continue doing this and I thought I'd give in and create an account (on the website) so that these people were all easy to access from a single point. So I did, and went and immediat…

This is also how I use Twitter. FYI, it still works for me in incognito mode. If anyone reading this works at Twitter: WHY are you guys making these changes? I'm far more likely to just never use the service again out of outrage then make an account.

It might be difficult to measure this.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by cheriot »

zht wrote: post #179
cheriot wrote: post #169

I wonder if Jack's new company will see a similar stagnation. Square is getting beat by Clover while the CEO is focused on blockchain.

in what way is square being beat by clover? was square in some way doing better than cover at one point and is no longer doing so?

That's my understanding, yes. Square was first but now Clover is signing up more merchants.

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Post by vkou »

nradov wrote: post #235
atorodius wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently wondered about this, from another angle. In a way it was "weird" that they had an API, given our times. I.e., it was different: imagine if FB/Instagram/WhatsApp had an API. (I think it would be awesome, but it puts into perspective that it was weird that they had one imo)

Is it viable for advertising supported services to have a fully functional API? Some third-party developer will build an alternative client app with no ads and eliminate the revenue stream.

And they'll get their API keys revoked.

Just because you have an API doesn't mean you're going to allow anyone and everyone to use it how they want.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by lotsofpulp »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #246
lotsofpulp wrote: post #184

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The CEO of Twitter has control over how the President is able to communicate on Twitter. As an American, this makes sense because Twitter is private property.

It's one of those things where in theory and in the rule of law the CEO can do so. It does make me feel uncomfortable, though. As time goes on I am less and less supportive of the notion that private companies can do as they please on the basis that they are private companies. I don't know what 'the solution' is, but I do sense a precedent being established that I am weary of. Twitter is simultaneously a public spher…

> Twitter is simultaneously a public sphere where politicians are prohibited from blocking users

I do not know what public sphere means, but I doubt Twitter stops specific accounts from blocking other accounts. I do not see why that is relevant either.

The president of the United States, of all people, has the capability to put an RSS feed on Whitehouse.gov or the president’s personal website anytime they want.

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