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How do you eject someone from a protest? There is no ticket gate.
The accepted way is to point and chant "Fed!" until the person leaves on their own.
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#252Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.
Yikes. In what world is this a working class uprising? It has no meaningful ties to any labour movement, and it’s stated goal seems to be to force Trudeau to over rule provincial — not federal — mask mandates. All because this disorganized, disruptive and aimless rabble believe wearing a piece of cloth on your face is the deeply offensive and tyrannical. Has anyone actually been squeezed off online platforms for sayi…
> Has anyone actually been squeezed off online platforms for saying they are against mask mandates?
Not masks, but I've been banned from most of Reddit for posting CDC stats about covid vaccines, questioning their value for younger people, and recounting adverse reactions in people I know, as well as questioning lockdown measures. I don't use any other social media.
> worryingly misleading medical misinformation.
Most of that worrying misleading information is now acknowledged to be "science" now- like the fact that the original vaccine does not make a difference between likelihood of spreading Omicron. Or getting banned for ascribing the Lab Leak theory, which is pretty much accepted as the most likely cause.
> In what world is this a working class uprising? It has no meaningful ties to any labour movement, and it’s stated goal seems to be to force Trudeau to over rule provincial — not federal — mask mandates.
If it were only about mask mandates, this protest would have occurred a year ago. It's about bodily autonomy and right to work. Just because no other labor movements seem to care yet, doesn't mean this isn't a labor issue. I understand that it's a provincial issue largely, but the federal employee vaccine mandates are just that- federal.
And people have an issue with the federal guidelines, and federal pressure on provinces to fall in line. Much like the Biden admin has been "strongly encouraging" illegal federal mandates, but simply penning them and waiting for courts to challenge them. And incredibly incendiary statements blaming the pandemic on the unvaccinated instead of a host of other more relevant issues like our always-at-capacity healthcare system.
And this is just conjecture, but people do suspect federal involvement in non federal matters. Trudeau, in his recent address from his lake house, has a portion of his speech not directed at us- the general public, rather he addresses other politicians in a really creepy, dystopian tone.
> 'think long and hard about the consequences of your actions.'
Either way, people are sick of the lockdowns and government overreach, none of which has been particularly effective, while simultaneously being detrimental, especially to those at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder. Not everyone has the privilege of working from home.
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That’s utter nonsense and you should stop spreading it.
It was literally the secession flag for multiple states during the civil war -- to the point where the most famous battle hymn explicitly frames victory for the Union as crushing the serpent. That may be an inconvenient truth for those who want to avoid its tainted history but it's definitely not nonsense. Don't take my word for it -- feel free to peruse the selection at your local confederate flag dealer: https://ru…
It's way more commonly associated as a 2a flag now. I'd never fly a Confederate flag, but I do have a Gadson flag.
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What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?
No. If there are Nazis in your group, and you don't kick them out, you're a fucking Nazi. There is no reason to ever allow Nazis to have any sort of freedom. We literally had a world war about this.
But Naziism isn't a particular flag or moustache that everyone feels reflexive intellectual disgust towards. It's a seductive ideology harnessing the reflexive disgust of large groups of people. It's not defeated by punching or shooting 'the bad people' but by moral humility and careful consideration of second-order effects at the ballot box.
No moral self-examination, disgust of the outgroup, arguing against private citizens' medical and bodily autonomy... does any of that sound familiar? What do you do when you realise you were the Nazi all along?
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No. If there are Nazis in your group, and you don't kick them out, you're a fucking Nazi. There is no reason to ever allow Nazis to have any sort of freedom. We literally had a world war about this.
But Naziism isn't a particular flag or moustache that everyone feels reflexive intellectual disgust towards. It's a seductive ideology harnessing the reflexive disgust of large groups of people. It's not defeated by punching or shooting 'the bad people' but by moral humility and careful consideration of second-order effects at the ballot box. No moral self-examination, disgust of the outgroup, arguing against private…
If they wave a Nazi flag, they are a Nazi. If you don't immediately kick them out, guess what?
There is zero excuse for any group to put up with it.
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But Naziism isn't a particular flag or moustache that everyone feels reflexive intellectual disgust towards. It's a seductive ideology harnessing the reflexive disgust of large groups of people. It's not defeated by punching or shooting 'the bad people' but by moral humility and careful consideration of second-order effects at the ballot box. No moral self-examination, disgust of the outgroup, arguing against private…
If they wave a Nazi flag, they are a Nazi. If you don't immediately kick them out, guess what? There is zero excuse for any group to put up with it.
They do kick them out. Here's a video of them doing just that: https://www.facebook.com/CornwallBJJ/videos/986522782241975/
What would it take for you to have an 'are we the baddies?' moment? Is symbology all that matters in that regard?
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> And generally arresting looters and rioters seems quite popular on both sides of the political spectrum. I beg to differ. Any attempts to contain the mass violence were decried as "Trumpist fascism".
And you believe every single liberal agrees with that idea? You're just holding up a minority opinion and smearing the rest with it.
I don't think the protests were actually popular among every single liberal, but it was considered taboo to say anything against them. I lost several friends during this period, expressing my concerns about the protests, and more specifically the organization behind them. I was called an Uncle Tom.
My former workplace hired outside therapists to attend to us people of color, and held special town halls and discussions. Meanwhile, I was losing sleep because the local strip mall was being looted, and I had to listen to gu shots all night. I spent one night sleeping on the floor of my living room with my guns due to reports of break-ins in my neighborhood.
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#258Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.
What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?
>What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist,
There's actually pretty large bounty to identify the person who was holding that nazi flag. The assertion is that this was not one of the protesters at all. Afterall the trucker convoy is quite diverse given so many truckers are Indian.
The CBC has been caught creating propaganda so many times: https://www.mississauga.com/news-story/7081133-opp-shuts-dow...
My favourite is this one: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/dear-qallunaat-white-pe...
Don't worry, the CBC clears says "racism against white people does not exist" right on that page. CBC is on the record they don't hire white people anymore: https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/cbc-no-caucasian
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#259Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.
Yikes. In what world is this a working class uprising? It has no meaningful ties to any labour movement, and it’s stated goal seems to be to force Trudeau to over rule provincial — not federal — mask mandates. All because this disorganized, disruptive and aimless rabble believe wearing a piece of cloth on your face is the deeply offensive and tyrannical. Has anyone actually been squeezed off online platforms for sayi…
>Yikes. In what world is this a working class uprising? It has no meaningful ties to any labour movement
This is why I'm skeptical of the push towards unionization I see of late. I'm from a working-class neighbourhood. I first heard about this protest on social media from high school friends who went into blue-collar professions. This is as grassroots and working class a movement as I've ever seen. But because it's not endorsed by major unions that have to negotiate with major employers, it's seen as 'not legitimate'. The argument seems to be that a labour movement needs a managerial class at the top or it's not really workers uniting. Ironically, the managerial class is somewhat besieged at the moment because it's possible to automate a lot of the organisation we used to perform, such as what is needed for something like this. Whether there's Koch brothers funding behind it or not, the Freedom convoy enjoys incredible working class support, to claim otherwise because it lacks 'officialdom' is an irony I hope we can all laugh at someday.
@yesenadam, any concerns about my wording?
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#260Amazing that the 100 IQ elites all think they want a working class uprising, but when it happens they panic and smear them as every -ist and -ism label in the book. It's fine to disagree with the protesters, but at least be honest about what they want. They've been squeezed off online platforms and out of mainstream discourse, and this is what happens when it bubbles over.
Yikes. In what world is this a working class uprising? It has no meaningful ties to any labour movement, and it’s stated goal seems to be to force Trudeau to over rule provincial — not federal — mask mandates. All because this disorganized, disruptive and aimless rabble believe wearing a piece of cloth on your face is the deeply offensive and tyrannical. Has anyone actually been squeezed off online platforms for sayi…
>n what world is this a working class uprising? It has no meaningful ties to any labour movement,
I see it as a working class uprising. Trudeau called them a 'fringe minority' but such a minority also requires the military to remove them? They also need their funds frozen?
>and it’s stated goal seems to be to force Trudeau to over rule provincial — not federal — mask mandates. All because this disorganized, disruptive and aimless rabble believe wearing a piece of cloth on your face is the deeply offensive and tyrannical.
Mask manadates have been ongoing for 2 years. What's new is that on Jan 15th Canada's federal government made vaccination mandatory for truckers. Provinces are powerless here, CBSA is entirely federal. CBSA will be enforcing this rule mostly at the border.
So truckers who never even cross the border are still potentially subject to proving they are vaccinated. Though that's far less probable and on top of that a high percentage of truckers are fully vax.