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Israel police uses NSO’s Pegasus to spy on citizens

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Post by nayaketo »

0xcde4c3db wrote: post #209
voz_ wrote: post #34

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This is not grounded in reality. Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. If you want to see an apartheid, go look at any other country in the middle east. Let's see how Jewish representation looks there...?

> Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. This point is scarcely more than a deflection; the fulcrum of Israel's apartheid regime consists primarily in which Arabs are permitted to be citizens, and in particular those whose parents and grandparents were violently driven from Israel's current territory in what Palestinian Arabs call the Nakba [1]. The Israeli governmen…

How many Arab nations allow Jews that migrated to Israel back to their countries? Or are Arabs allowed exclusionary policies and only Israel has to be different to not be labelled as "apartheid" by the woke ones?

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Post by gambiting »

weatherlite wrote: post #232
gambiting wrote: post #54

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Here's a massive list of crimes that Israel is quilty of, with sources, for your perusal: https://www.reddit.com/r/list_palestine/comments/l43xgk/mega...

HN is quickly deteriorating to Gab/Zero Hedge quality, nice.

Posting a list of links with sources is now Gab quality? Do they even bother to post their sources ever?

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Post by erezsh »

Barrin92 wrote: post #17

People used to quip that Prussia is an army with a country rather than the other way around, it seems like if you add the modern intelligence sector that describes Israel. With all the concerns about 'Military-civil fusion ' as it's called in China or Russia I always found it funny that Israel might as well be the country that has merged both spheres most successfully but nobody really seems to care at all.

This is breaking news, and not yet confirmed. And yet everyone even slightly tech-related in Israel is currently talking about this. It even sparked intense arguments in some security related forums that I shall not name. To say "nobody really seems to care at all" is just ignorant.

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Post by forinti »

voz_ wrote: post #141
kome wrote: post #91

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you forgot about palestine.

They are their own government, with their own people, who readily elected a terrorist group to leadership.

They can't even dispose of their own territory, given that Israel builds settlements inside the West Bank. Gaza is totally closed off to the World: Israel decides what comes in or out.

It can be argued, therefore, that Israel is de facto the state.

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Post by amatecha »

shmatt wrote: post #2

Once the method exists. i'd just assume its everywhere We know about Pegasus/NSO and its a fun subject to follow, but in all honesty, every engineer privy to the 0-day bank that powers it could build one of their own, or sell it to another group, and no one would know

Once the method is known to the public and in news articles, I assume it's been employed by govt agencies for years.

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Post by [deleted] »

nayaketo wrote: post #251
0xcde4c3db wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Arab citizens can vote and participate, and there are Arab parties in Israeli government. This point is scarcely more than a deflection; the fulcrum of Israel's apartheid regime consists primarily in which Arabs are permitted to be citizens, and in particular those whose parents and grandparents were violently driven from Israel's current territory in what Palestinian Arabs call the Nakba [1]. The Israeli governmen…

How many Arab nations allow Jews that migrated to Israel back to their countries? Or are Arabs allowed exclusionary policies and only Israel has to be different to not be labelled as "apartheid" by the woke ones?

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Post by noduerme »

ILMostro7 wrote: post #225
noduerme wrote: post #217

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When you compare Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto, you're doing violence to history. The Warsaw Ghetto did not have elections to vote in a terrorist group. It was not offered its own nation-state. It didn't receive billions in foreign aid to build bombs. It did not have a charter, nor was the annihilation of German civilians in its charter. Moreover, it existed as a way to round people up in order to exterminate them. That…

You just mentioned a number of the double standards that exist netween the US and countries with immoral policies. There were uprisings in the ghettos. Granted, they didn't have enough time to form a democratically elected government. I am pointing out the irony of using anything similar as the Germans against a people who live in the most densely-populated, walled off land on earth...to say the least. Prolonging tha…

To respond more directly, I didn't mention any double standards between the US and countries with immoral policies. I'm not even sure what that means; it's a nonsensical statement, as double standards don't exist "between" countries, they only exist in terms of criticism. Specifically, they only exist where criticism is biased.

To your second point, you say the Warsaw Ghetto wasn't able to hold elections to form a democratic government because they "didn't have enough time"? It had absolutely nothing to do with not having enough time. The Ghetto was a transit point for people to be gassed, nothing more. Imagine if they were encouraged to form a democratically elected government and hold elections, like Gaza, and if those elections were backed and monitored by international human rights organizations, like Gaza's elections were. And imagine if what they voted in was a theocratic dictatorship who proudly proclaimed that their winning would signal the final democratic election, ever.

Finally, you might have misunderstood what I said. The Germans in my scenario are the Israelis - that is what the BDS people think. They think the Israelis are Germans, and the Palestinians are Jews. The only irony in the situation is that the people who think this are Germans and/or other Europeans who did not give a flying fuck about the Holocaust when it was happening, and now suddenly are gripped by conscience when one is not happening - insofar as they can still be antisemitic in polite company.

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Post by tsimionescu »

weatherlite wrote: post #233
tsimionescu wrote: post #90

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How many people have been killed by Palestinians in Israel since, say, 2011 (the last ten years?) How many has Israel killed in Palestine in the same time frame? I will not even go into the difference between lone gunmen and state-sanctioned killings. Let's accept that any Palestinian killing an Isareli should be treated the same as an officer of the Israeli military or police, acting in their official capacity, kill…

> How many people have been killed by Palestinians in Israel since, say, 2011 (the last ten years?) How many has Israel killed in Palestine in the same time frame? It will only be proportional if Israel agrees to let Hamas and the PLO be armed with as good weapons as it has. Or in other words if Israel commits suicide. It's unclear to me what you're actually arguing for.

The official position from Israel is that it must control all sorts of things because the huge threat that Hamas and others pose to its national security. Their official position is also that they only target Gaza in proportional retaliation, and even then only against combatants.

What we see instead is that Hammas has less and less ability to harm Israel, but Israel is still systematically killing Palestinian civilians - an almost 20:1 ratio is not a sign of a democratic state defending itself from terrorism, by any reasonable measure.

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Post by tsimionescu »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #187
tsimionescu wrote: post #83

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> In what sense are we not officially at war with Palestine? In the literal sense. The territories that form Palestine and the West Bank today were part of Egypt and Jordan before the six-day war. Israel occupied these territories during the war, then signed peace treaties with the countries it defeated. The three Arab countries (including Syria) attempted to recapture their territories again in 1973, but failed, and…

That's like saying after d-day, the killing and destruction has become more one sided against the Axis Powers. Nobody takes that as a serious argument that the Allies shouldn't have done it (and please, no Nazi comparisons).

If the Allies had started bombing German civilian targets more as they were gaining an upper hand, or even had they not subsided in their bombing of civilian targets, then yes, it would be the same, and it would not be excusable.

When fighting against a dirty enemy, it is mostly acceptable to be dirty in turn. But as your enemy is close to defeat and is losing any power to harm you, you're supposed to stop the dirty tactics that were necessary and (somewhat) justified earlier.

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