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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by theHIDninja »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #10

I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…

>daughters

Was it only daughters that attempted suicide? What about sons?

With this language, you are implying the life of a woman is worth more than a man's. Why?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by crackercrews »

rcpt wrote: post #74

Did suicide go up or just attempts? Using methods unlikely to work and with the added safety of having people in the house all the time I could imagine that many of the new attempts were not intended to succeed

This is a fair question. Especially because the increase was almost entirely among girls. They have a much higher attempt rate but a much lower completion rate than boys. [1]

It is possible that these attempts are more about distress than true attempts to end life. Still a problem, but not as much if the suicide rates did not also go up.

1: https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-m...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by honkycat »

pdimitar wrote: post #229
honkycat wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

I said what I observed and it goes without saying that I haven't seen everything. And you... are only seeing what you want and need to argue with someone. I'm not your enemy here, get off my back already.

No, this is what you said:

> Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a long time ago. It was soul-crushing watching them when I visited. They were almost turned to vegetables with chemical means.

See, the problem with acting like you were trying to be reasonable and you "didn't mean it like that" is that I can go back to your post quote what you said.

I didn't "misunderstand" and I did not "only see what I want."

I am not going to accept your attempt to backpedal.

You said what I pasted above. I thought it was an ignorant thing to say. I responded.

> I'm not your enemy here

You absolutely are. I care about what is TRUE. You lie and say ignorant things that conveniently align with your values and try to pass them off as wisdom.

> get off my back already.

I will leave you alone after this final response.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by johncolanduoni »

pdimitar wrote: post #245
johncolanduoni wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. “at all help with anything” sounds pretty absolute to my ears, as does the wording in basically every other sentence in what you said, but I’m glad to be mistaken. Though I note the person you responded to barely mentioned medication, and you seemed to find it necessary to denounce…

Let me quote myself: > * Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain...* Notice the word "often". I'm not a 10-year old that claims that the 4-5 cases that I've witnessed represent the entire world and I'm getting tired of everybody here pretending that I'm some kind of monster. Or maybe you're projecting too much? Get off my back already. Read more slowly, don't get outraged, don't assume malice. Does wonde…

I’m not sure where you read outrage in my comment, but talking about the quality of online discussions right after accusing me of projecting did make me very emotional. I laughed right out loud.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pdimitar »

honkycat wrote: post #253
pdimitar wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I said what I observed and it goes without saying that I haven't seen everything. And you... are only seeing what you want and need to argue with someone. I'm not your enemy here, get off my back already.

No, this is what you said: > Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a long time ago. It was soul-crushing watching them when I visited. They were almost turned to vegetables w…

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by serial_dev »

rtpg wrote: post #224
pdimitar wrote: post #102

I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

You can't claim to be pro-science and then false-ly claim that psychiatric medication does nothing. Depression and ADHD are _extremely_ treatable through medication, just as examples. There are many studies around this topic, it is way more treatable than certain physical conditions. "Knocks off your normal brain chemicals" have you considered that some people's normal brain chemicals are not set up normally? Would y…

> You can't claim to be pro-science and then false-ly claim that psychiatric medication does nothing.

I didn't see anyone claiming to be "pro-science", and I also didn't see anyone claiming that medication "does nothing".

It looks like to me that you completely misunderstood or deliberately misrepresented the comment (I can't tell which one), and then got angry with the misrepresentation.

Another recent, worrying, trend (not unique to your comment) is that people don't see nuance and don't accept thoughts that don't match theirs. According to these people, you're either "pro-science" (and agree with them), or you are dangerous "anti-science" person spouting misinformation (how dare you see the world differently than me! Grrr).

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by dclowd9901 »

pdimitar wrote: post #102

I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

Literally your entire brain functions on trading of chemicals. There is no such thing as “a thought” without the chemicals in your brain producing it. What you describe as “numbness” seems to be your discomfort with a person’s personality changing in front of you… _for their benefit_.

As someone who’s long differed from anxiety and depression, I had your mindset at one point. It wasn’t until I started trying medication that I could start evaluating my life in a more objective manner, without the chemicals in my brain discoloring every thought. Now I don’t even need medication, but I am certainly a different person. Medication helped me choose a better life for myself.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by wruza »

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable").

I'm not a social person (age almost 40), and I ought not to feel any consequences of that, cause even a strict lockdown wouldn't change my life too much. And I have a friend who isn't particularly stress-prone (a former warzone guy, 4 kids, a strong mindset).

And guess what, we both experienced numerous acute panic attacks in 2020, without realizing what it was. We both have called an ambulance and thought this is the end of me, only to learn later what panic attack is. And we both never got covid. Doctors say that it is a very common phenomenon to observe. Idk about him, but my mental state I find pretty questionable now, because something induces anxiety in it non-stop from the spring 2020. I don't watch TV, neither read on pandemic situation consciously. Visited therapist for a whole last year.

I can imagine what all that does to regular people, and probably can't imagine what teens may feel about it.

Can anyone share similar observations, or am I just a coincidence?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pdimitar »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #258
pdimitar wrote: post #102

I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

Literally your entire brain functions on trading of chemicals. There is no such thing as “a thought” without the chemicals in your brain producing it. What you describe as “numbness” seems to be your discomfort with a person’s personality changing in front of you… _for their benefit_. As someone who’s long differed from anxiety and depression, I had your mindset at one point. It wasn’t until I started trying medicati…

You know what's extremely puzzling to me? That you think I disagree with you. I don't. I completely agree in fact.
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