The nice thing about it is that if you focus on really good communication, you can almost entirely solve the problem yourself. You can give status updates, you can ask questions, you can set up 1-1's to go through what you are working on and get advice. You can control a lot more than you think by being a really great communicator and being organized. It does take work and organization, but you can do it.
Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
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Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
You called in sick yesterday and went to the beach with your buddies? I'm glad you did! We all need a mental health day once in a while. Being happy actually makes you more productive in the long term.
if your manager is ok with it, don't register it as a sick day. Makes it potentially more complicated with the company doctor. Just consider it a workday spend on ...whatever. Manager being ok with it means you deserved it though :) (EU based engineering manager speaking)
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#255Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
#256Your Boss is Good -> Your Boss is bad
You should keep your head down -> You should keep your head Up
You should quit -> You should NOT quit
This is really good advice -> this is really BAD advice
Go to HR and record this -> DON'T go to HR because [bad]
Tell your boss FU and leave -> Be humble and learn from this
Your boss will Never EVER get better -> Your boss just had a bad day, etc.
---> more entries to be filled by more good/bad responses (equal amounts)
The ultimate take here OP, is that you get here the same you will get inside your own company, that being a S/N ratio of ZERO. Go with your heart. (oh, I just HAD to add that, lol)
Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
#257What strikes me the most is the absence of your direct/immediate manager. While the praise in public, criticize in private principle isn't being directly violated here, something like it is. Your immediate manager's responsibility is managing you, and to a degree this includes protecting you. This kind of criticism should be passed through the chain of command and only be delivered by your direct manager. Their job is made harder by the introduction of ambiguity by being excluded from this conversation. (Healthier work places can operate differently but you've already demonstrated it's not a high trust environment where you are allowed to jump the chain of command in the interest of getting things done. I've only seen this work in a few teams.)
I think the gaslighting comments may have more merit than others. I'll be clear: this is about someone in authority telling you how things are and this directly contradicts with your knowledge of the situation. There is at least a modicum of this in your description of events, but it's probably not the most important issue here.
Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?
#258It's a good time to exhale... and recharge, shake off some doubts and guilt. Everyone feels that bad when wacked like a mole by big boss and when orphaned by the direct manager. So, I'd rather see it as it's not about you, it's about them... Your ego got a bruise, but it'll heal.
The next steps depend on your company/team culture. If there's some formal retro process, then there will be a chance to look over what worked and what did not. Patch over it collectively.
If your team has no such practice and just zips into the next project/stage, then you may want to find ways to gain such feedback by yourself.
In general, if you perceive a blame from your boss, then the team is somewhat dysfunctional, esp. knowing that you are a "green mind". So this may by itself present a finding for you.
Meanwhile, just chart three columns and fill what and why you think worked well , what did not work, and how to possibly make it work (if by yourself or by the team). Keep this analysis to yourself, primarily just to offload it from your mind.
Also this may prep it for possible talk-it-over chance with a boss (there usually will be a review at some point). Though I won't keep hopes high, I would just learn things as I could.
That early in your career, just find a sane way to gain the experience, mostly good one. Try not to color everything personally, it's just a project, there will be others. Learn what makes you feel good at your job, what sort of interaction, dynamic. This will help you guide your future decisions and career choices.
Good luck!
P.S. there are some political ways of handling this, basically "managing your manager" but I won't try to go there, as it's exhausting and only spreads the dysfunction.
Congrats on surviving the project. Get all this shit off your mind and make it ready for the next run, now you're battle-tested!
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#259Pending answers to the first set of questions, I see two possible scenarios here:
Scenario I: Your manager was in the loop about this meeting.
If she knew that her boss was going to have this conversation with you, she should have been in the room with you. If she had a fire to put out, she should have rescheduled this meeting so that she could be there. She should have, in fact, had a conversation with you about her boss's displeasure (and perhaps her own displeasure) before you walked into this meeting.
Scenario II: Your manager had no idea what this meeting was about.
This would mean that perhaps the project/product you are working on is at risk of getting deprioritized, and both you and your manager are about to get shuffled around to work on something else.
If you are very early in your career, I would recommend valuing mentorship above anything else (even compensation). In both scenario I and scenario II, it does not seem that you are receiving an adequate level of mentorship within this organization. If you are comfortable putting your job at risk, this is something you should definitely bring up very directly with your manager and maybe even with her boss or her boss's boss.
If you need a job right now, just keep your head down and start looking for positions either within this company or somewhere else, where you can get mentorship from excellent engineers who are also excellent mentors.