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No imaging system reproduces reality. You're always getting a compromised result.

Yeah, even your eyes don't reproduce reality perfectly but at that point it's just semantics. He means he wants to see his daughter the same way through the camera that he sees her through his eyes, in real life, otherwise known to him as "reality". I don't think it's unreasonable to allow context of the statement to allow us to disregard "reality" as it pertains to quantum wave functions, in favor of something more…

The amount of post-processing your brain does to make you believe you see far more than you actually do in far higher resolution than you do, whilst combining two 2D views into a pseudo-3D view, is incredible.

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I hate how much phones lately alters the images. Of course it most of the time makes the images look better, and cameras are a big selling point on a phone. But I don't like how my photos of people suddenly have a filter applied to the faces, how a picture of leaves during fall have vibrance exaggerated, how the sky looks clearer than it really did.

Fully agree. My wife and I went out on a date about a month ago, and during it, she took a selfie of the two of us. There must have been some filter on by default because our faces looked perfectly lit, our skin completely blemish-free, no smile lines, etc. It was a great picture, but I remarked immediately that it didn't look real. And I don't want that -- it's not us but an idealized, optimized version of us. I sim…

Lots of phones have a selfie beautification mode now.

Even Apple had appeared to add one in the iPhone XS/iOS12 but was apparently an issue with Smart HDR and was rolled back. But many Android phones advertise it as a feature and it's something many filters etc do.

It's also possible some HDR type functionality causes this on other implementations.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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I hate how much phones lately alters the images. Of course it most of the time makes the images look better, and cameras are a big selling point on a phone. But I don't like how my photos of people suddenly have a filter applied to the faces, how a picture of leaves during fall have vibrance exaggerated, how the sky looks clearer than it really did.

And furthermore, how it manages to make it all look like a painting when zoomed in. No matter if Android or iPhone, old or new, they all seem to have this really annoying effect.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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My guess is this is some sort of AI driven compression. The compressor presented the neural network with images of the woman's head and some background leaves and said: "Corporate needs you to tell the difference between these two pictures." The neural network happily replied, "They're the same picture". And so the compressor discarded the woman's head from the data and replaced it with the leaves, which have unerringly been found to be equivalent.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Very much agree. I took RAW pictures with my Nikon on a christmas party, and even took the time to properly develop and adjust them. Still, people complained on how "old and bad" their faces looked (in pretty normal pics, nothing fancy). I attribute this to the fact that everybody is now used to phones completely editing faces and smoothing skin and adding saturation, etc., which makes us more "instagramable" althoug…

Just wait until the phones are automatically giving people cartoon character eyes...

You mean the cartoon filter that has been around since forever?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuRNiyjVpEM

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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RAW just means uncompressed, unlike JPEG or HEIF. You can still manipulate a RAW image.

>RAW just means uncompressed This is not accurate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_image_format

A) I'm not sure what nit you are picking, RAW formats are typically not compressed, and if they are (I haven't encountered any personally) they would be losslessly compressed. They certainly aren't quantized.

Edit: ok here's some lossless and lossy compression of RAW. IMHO, "lossy compressed raw" is an oxymoron. https://photographylife.com/compressed-vs-uncompressed-vs-lo...

B) the context is whether a raw photo can be "manipulated" in any way. The answer is a resounding yes. See: Darpa MediFor project. Search for work by Siwei Lyu (I'm on mobile and don't feel like digging through the links, there's tons of published work out there)

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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Very much agree. I took RAW pictures with my Nikon on a christmas party, and even took the time to properly develop and adjust them. Still, people complained on how "old and bad" their faces looked (in pretty normal pics, nothing fancy). I attribute this to the fact that everybody is now used to phones completely editing faces and smoothing skin and adding saturation, etc., which makes us more "instagramable" althoug…

Just wait until the phones are automatically giving people cartoon character eyes...

I worked on Paint Shop Pro a long time ago, when they first added red eye correction. It did it not by manipulating the image, but by painting an artificial eye over the original. The dialog was hellishly complex since you had to specify not only how the new eye should look but how to make it match the original. But it delivered impressive results. Last I saw, it was scheduled to be replaced with something simpler and more traditional in the next version.

Re: iPhone camera app replaces person’s head with a leaf in photo

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I'm finding it increasingly hard to take photographs of unusual light in the sky, because the phone camera keeps trying to normalize it to something it's seen before (i.e. something which matches its tuning and machine learning models), whether it's auto white balance or other computational trickery.

Sony used to have that problem with their real cameras a few years ago. Earned them the nickname Stareater iirc.

The stareater feature was just noise reduction taken too far. A star looks just like a noisy pixel.
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