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Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

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They aren't just firing up a virtual machine on over-provisioned hardware, they're dedicating an entire bare metal machine to you. It is in their interests to make that worthwhile commercially.

It's entirely possible that the 24hr minimum is driven by the operational overhead, not just the licensing terms. Since this is bare metal, re-provisioning between customer sessions might require some level of human interaction, and this needs to be baked into the cost model of such a service.

Amazon openly admits it is because of licensing terms.

From https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/mac/#Pricing:

"Billing for EC2 Mac instances is per second with a 24-hour minimum allocation period to comply with the Apple macOS Software License Agreement"

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Microsoft owns a significant amount of Apple stock.

Citation? Remember in 1997, Microsoft invested 150 million dollars into Apple to appease regulators? They sold it in 2003 for a tidy 550 million dollars. Nice return on investment! If they didn't sell it, it would be worth approximately 130 BILLION dollars today.

Ballmer strikes out again

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These are Apple's terms that Amazon is following, not the other way around. You are getting bare metal that you have to reserve for a minimum of 24 hours because that's how Apple allows it to be licensed not because that's what Amazon thought would make the most sense.

I run VMware esxi on my Mac mini with 64G of memory to create plenty of macos and Linux vms. Are you saying this is against the TOS?

AIUI there's no EULA problems virtualizing macOS on Mac hardware.

This is about a minimum 24-hour rental of Mac Minis tho.

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

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Based on Apple not giving a shit what volume you’re buying, the price is the price. Maybe the rules are a bit different for Amazon, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Apple is a pain in the ass, but you can negotiate with them. Even on iPhones, you can get significant concessions with large quantities.

I would love to be wrong about it. But I know Apple dont give much wholesale discount measured in hundreds of thousands in unit nor do they give any more discount to Mac than wholesale. At best they throw things like accessories or AppleCare discount as bundle.

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

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Their egress bandwidth pricing definitely wasn't designed to meet my needs. I forget how many orders of magnitude above market it was when I priced it out, but it was ugly.

The complexity is to meet customer needs, not the prices themselves. But aren't you glad they have bandwidth tiers so the more you use the cheaper it gets? :)

Heh I suppose, you do pay just for the parts you use, even if you end up paying a lot more as a result :-)

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Report claims Amazon collects over a third of seller revenue, bringing in $121B in 2021 A new study claims that Amazon makes far more from fees on its Marketplace platform than even the cash cow known as AWS. The report says that Amazon’s fees for participating effectively on its store have grown to the point where sellers now give the company about 34% of their earnings

https://pkpioneer.blogspot.com/2021/12/report-claims-amazon-...

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

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Yes, the “let’s hook up your credit card to the Internet” part of cloud computing still makes me nervous.

Use a prepaid credit card. Boom. Protected

Last time i checked AWS didn't accept prepaid cards. Even if they did, they could still after you if you live in the USA, and if the amount in question is significant, also in other countries.

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> The pricing is designed to meet everyone's needs. That's a surprisingly charitable interpretation.

It's a valid one. Engineering teams work with AWS kinda in the same way mass market 90s C code was written. They get it running, but boy are there huge leaks and crashes hiding in plain sight. From that perspective, I think it might be ok to say that most eng folk complaining about AWS billing need a safer language (higher level abstraction) where they are protected from causing harm or being harmed.

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Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

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It's entirely possible that the 24hr minimum is driven by the operational overhead, not just the licensing terms. Since this is bare metal, re-provisioning between customer sessions might require some level of human interaction, and this needs to be baked into the cost model of such a service.

Amazon openly admits it is because of licensing terms. From https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/mac/#Pricing : "Billing for EC2 Mac instances is per second with a 24-hour minimum allocation period to comply with the Apple macOS Software License Agreement"

Thanks, I missed that. Looks like Apple added the section on leasing (3. Leasing for Permitted Developer Services) in the SLA for Big Sur in November 2020.

Re: Amazon EC2 M1 Mac Instances

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Just try Oracle Cloud believe me...it's so much better.

It’s not any more straightforward to use IME, and I have had an instance vanish without a trace in the past 4 months. It is, however, far cheaper and has more transparent pricing.

> It’s not any more straightforward to use IME, and I have had an instance vanish without a trace in the past 4 months.

It's called administrating on whisky ;)

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