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Post by maccard »

raxxorrax wrote: post #225
SirHound wrote: post #174

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I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…

> with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming On a modern system you buy in the next electronic store that is ready to use the mental load is the same as using any Sony OS. The advantage I see in consoles is that they are more multiplayer friendly. It is mostly more comfortable to share a large couch, but PC maintenance is as easy as it is on console. You cannot play instantly. I use a console 3 times a mo…

> On a modern system you buy in the next electronic store that is ready to use the mental load is the same as using any Sony OS.

It's really really not. Ever had the scenario where anticheat for a game has failed to install because of a pending windows update?

> I use a console 3 times a month when friends come around to play. I often have to wait for a fairly long update of OS and games.

Both xbox and playstation have supported background updates for the last couple of years, both for the OS and for games.

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

zaarn wrote: post #135
maccard wrote: post #129

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You're comparing full price console games to free PC games. There are numerous games on consoles that cost less than €50, and buying the latest AAA releases on PC will cost you more than €50 too

How many free Console games are there? Much less than PC. It's entirely fair as there is more possibility of free PC games, or them being of negligible cost since you pay lower platform fees. This is in addition to the opportunity costs you incur of not buying a PC or having a lower powered PC as a PC can be used for other things (ie, office work, taxes, other productivity tasks).

>This is in addition to the opportunity costs you incur of not buying a PC or having a lower powered PC as a PC can be used for other things (ie, office work, taxes, other productivity tasks).

Work related stuf I do on my work-provided MacBook Pro, that costs me €0. For browsing the web, e-mail and taxes I just use my iPad.

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Post by hnarn »

dynamite-ready wrote: post #219

I sincerely hope the first thing someone does, is create an unofficial patch to allow people to use old third-party (and first-party) joypads. Locking down which joypads you can use seemed like a mean spirited move from Sony.

While not impossible, this seems like a huge amount of work for an independent developer. I don’t think any old controller is plug and play as soon as you remove one if clause disabling them, there’s probably a significant amount of work involved in getting them to work.

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Post by maccard »

zaarn wrote: post #212
maccard wrote: post #200

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I can do all of those things on my phone (and I do!)

Not all things are quite possible on a phone or as comfortable as you could do them on a PC (I couldn't imagine coding on a phone).

And things aren't always as comfortable on PC as they are on a console. I would much rather the streamlined experience and guaranteed compatibility of a console for playing games, in the same way you would rather a PC for coding over a phone.

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Post by hnarn »

mekster wrote: post #221

Is Sony prepared for such an event or some sort of irreversible damage is done as a console?

What do you mean “prepared”? If you break your hardware by installing custom software on it, that has never been covered by your warranty (although companies may still replace the hardware out of good will or being incapable of detecting the modification).

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Post by zaarn »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #252
zaarn wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many free Console games are there? Much less than PC. It's entirely fair as there is more possibility of free PC games, or them being of negligible cost since you pay lower platform fees. This is in addition to the opportunity costs you incur of not buying a PC or having a lower powered PC as a PC can be used for other things (ie, office work, taxes, other productivity tasks).

>This is in addition to the opportunity costs you incur of not buying a PC or having a lower powered PC as a PC can be used for other things (ie, office work, taxes, other productivity tasks). Work related stuf I do on my work-provided MacBook Pro, that costs me €0. For browsing the web, e-mail and taxes I just use my iPad.

An iPad costs non significant amounts of money and not everyone is privileged enough to get a MacBook Pro for personal work from their employer.

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Post by rbanffy »

agent327 wrote: post #154
rbanffy wrote: post #15

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> had some kind of edge compared to normal PCs. They did, but the Cell SPUs were hard to program and that edge quickly eroded as the Cell proved to be a dead end and x86 CPUs continued to evolve.

It was the GPUs that evolved, not the CPUs. The original PS3 design didn't have a dedicated GPU (but, I believe, two Cells instead, one being dedicated to graphics rendering). A GPU was added as it became obvious that this design had a massive advantage over the Cell design.

> It was the GPUs that evolved, not the CPUs.

That's not quite true. Every architecture iteration brought an increase in IPC, while every process improvement allowed for higher clocks and lower power dissipation. It's true that GPUs evolved a lot more - but that's mostly by getting bigger, wider, and having wider, faster pipes to its own RAM and the shared PCIe bus, as well as bigger heatsinks and fans.

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Post by maccard »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #145
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #120

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> They're subsidised by the game prices. You still pay for it in the end. How much is a half-decent game PC ? €2000 ? Compare to a €500 console. For €1500 I can buy a lot of 'overpriced' games.

Depends what matters to you. Do you care a lot for graphics? I can run nearly every game I care about on a laptop, since I care about gameplay like older emulator, indie games such as into the breach don't need good graphics, AoE II and SC are way more fun than ray traced shooters to me. For a cheap PC a 3400G APU can play GTA5 pretty well, and emulate PS3 games, nothing high spec just a CPU+GPU combo chip for $150 t…

> I can run nearly every game I care about on a laptop, since I care about gameplay like older emulator, indie games such as into the breach don't need good graphics,

If that's what you care about then buying a modern console is a terrible idea, however you can buy a "retro" console (xbox 360) with dozens of games ver practically nothing (The first match on gumtree near me was a 360, 2 controllers and 35 games for £60)

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Post by lewispollard »

tpxl wrote: post #187
SirHound wrote: post #174

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I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…

Looks like what you're describing is at least partially implemented in Steam Big Picture mode. > Big Picture is a mode of Steam designed for use with your TV and game controller, so you can enjoy your Steam games from the comfort of your couch. With the press of a button, Steam displays a full-screen user interface which has been completely redesigned for readability and interaction on TV. It can also be used on your…

Yup, you can also set up Steam to launch Big Picture mode at Windows boot, if you wanted to use the computer exclusively for gaming, and in addition, it's currently the best way to use a game controller on Windows, since when running in Big Picture it takes over all game controllers with its own input wrapper, which makes nearly any game controller work in a unified way with completely configurable controls. This is quite a big problem on Windows where a lot of controllers won't work without fiddly and often suspicious 3rd party driver packages and programs.

Additionally, Big Picture mode lets you remap controller buttons to basically anything you like (other buttons, keyboard keys, entire sequences of actions, mode shifting, overlay menus, different actions depending on if you press/double press/hold, etc). And, you can browse controller configurations that other people have made, too. Often there are lots of solutions for games that don't officially support controllers, and even in those that do, often there are improved mappings with added features like gyro aiming, or using a combination of gamepad and mouse input (all on the controller of course) to improve in game aiming.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by chalupa-man »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

A few major factors, in roughly decreasing order of subjective importance:

1. Console games are initially more expensive, but you can sell them used when you're done, which isn't possible on PC. I regularly buy games for $100 (Australian pricing) and sell them a month or two months later for $80. (I'd rent them, but rentals don't exist anymore. I keep the ones I really really loved, but sell on most.) On PC, the same game might launch for $10-20 less, but that doesn't make up for not being able to get $80 back from every purchase.

2. Many games are unfortunately exclusive to a particular console, including many of the most popular franchises, e.g. Mario, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, and The Legend of Zelda are only on Nintendo consoles. If those are your favorite games, then none of the other factors really matter. And it's much more common for games to be exclusive to a console than exclusive to PC; there's virtually nothing these days that doesn't end up on the consoles, there are usually a couple of major blockbusters every year that don't make it to PC.

3. PC graphics card prices have absolutely skyrocketed due to cryptocurrency mining. I paid $130 for my graphics card seven years ago; the same model regularly sells for $150 on eBay now and when I look at replacing it, I can't find anything that significantly beats it for under $300. I looked at spending my tax return on a multi-part PC upgrade, but to match the performance of the new PlayStation I'd have to spend nearly double its price, and most graphics cards would require me to join a waiting list. (As it is, I went with neither and I'm waiting to see what happens next year.)

4. Formerly, playing games together with friends in the same room. Sadly, this is less and less well-supported on consoles with every year that goes by, but it used to be practically exclusive to them, and not something PC games ever implemented. This was especially important for kids (who make up a huge portion of the market and often have siblings to share the console with) and students (who would hold multiplayer game nights in dorms etc). It matters even for online multiplayer, though. You want the system your best friends have so you can all play together. And that's more likely to be one of the major consoles, and you'll rarely get your whole friend group to switch, especially if it's to a more expensive (at least upfront) option.

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