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Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by qwerty456127 »

datenarsch wrote: post #248
qwerty456127 wrote: post #244

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> Trivial app portability - I absolutely love the concept of portable Windows software. Have a single folder with configuration and binaries, that can run for sure anywhere The Linux way of installing the apps is merely a convenient tradition. You can still put the app files anywhere and run. It will put its configuration files wherever the developer wanted them (conventionally the app dir is meant to be immutable an…

> The Linux way of installing the apps is merely a convenient tradition. You can still put the app files anywhere and run. It will put its configuration files wherever the developer wanted them (conventionally the app dir is meant to be immutable and the files are meant to be stored under the user's home dir though). In fact many apps (incl. Chrome and PyCharm actually are installed the Windows way under /opt which i…

So what's the problem? Nobody forces him to follow the convention. Do you believe he really is concerned by the fact most of the people do? I would even speculate there possibly is a niche distro (now I'm also curious, whoever knows such - please mention) which manages the apps the Windows way entirely.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by washadjeffmad »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #50
beefjerkins wrote: post #28

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Out of interest, have you tried other distributions? Perhaps Debian based like Linux Mint / Pop OS, or others like Manjaro? What keeps you using Ubuntu after all these years?

I've personally tried some of those. Ubuntu simply works. I hate most of their defaults, most add bugs, Ubuntu is what most cloud providers use if you're a dev, every software provider targets Ubuntu if they target Linux, and so on. You can install Ubuntu and it'll work. Easy. No other distro I've tried (Fedora, Suse, Manjaro, Mint, Mageia) is as easy.

I know we're just sharing anecdotes, but I dropped Ubuntu during the "Megalomaniacal Shuttleworth" days, and I still don't accept his vision for Ubuntu.

If you remember the earliest builds, they included a video of Nelson Mandela explaining ubuntu and implied it as a light, legally unencumbered OS for the world. I was helping build labs in East Africa at the time, and it was a fantastic choice for running scientific operations because of its relative UI cohesion and simplicity over Debian while allowing access to its vast repositories and package groups.

I kind of lost all faith when the power trips started happening across the GNOME Foundation and elsewhere and moved to less divisively ambitious distros that were more responsive to their users.

I've never had issues installing or using Linux on hardware I picked, but I understand the struggles of working around non-spec and proprietary chipsets without drivers. I don't use non-free drivers in most cases, so having hardware that doesn't struggle with them is paramount.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by pjmlp »

TingPing wrote: post #249
pjmlp wrote: post #224

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Apparently an idea that GNOME thought it was worthwhile to copy.

DConf is great and not a 1:1. Also with flatpak apps store plain text configs privately and dconf is more of a system store now.

Exactly like the registry since application virtualization was introduced for MSIX packages and WinRT/UWP, and the application manifests introduced previously in Windows XP.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by smackeyacky »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #241
poisonborz wrote: post #83

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- About 90% of the (GUI) software ever developed? I'm happy to hear that there are quality Linux alternatives nowadays, but there's just many order of magnitudes more choice on Windows (and far less, but still more on Mac). For a lot of categories, this might change in the next decade (Electron and other cross-platform frameworks, tech like Proton) but for things like media editing or even image viewers, or until the…

> About 90% of the (GUI) software ever developed? I'm happy to hear that there are quality Linux alternatives nowadays, but there's just many order of magnitudes more choice on Windows Most of the people don't need this though. I've migrated many individuals and middle offices from Windows to Ubuntu (for myself I prefer Manjaro though) starting from 2007. They only use Firefox/Chrome, Skype/Telegram, Thunderbird, Lib…

VSCode is fine if you are doing .net core. Paint.NET is great though, its genuinely the only thing I miss at my debian machine.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by TingPing »

pjmlp wrote: post #253
TingPing wrote: post #249

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DConf is great and not a 1:1. Also with flatpak apps store plain text configs privately and dconf is more of a system store now.

Exactly like the registry since application virtualization was introduced for MSIX packages and WinRT/UWP, and the application manifests introduced previously in Windows XP.

Well, completely different on format, they are just ini files now.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by TingPing »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #131
sjustinas wrote: post #51

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The Steam client works natively on Linux. It ships its own version of Wine, called Proton and many games work well. They are doing lots of work to get the remaining games working in preparation for the launch of Steam Deck. https://www.protondb.com/

Is it still 32bit?

Yes, same as on Windows.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by Delk »

bluepoint wrote: post #211
beebmam wrote: post #100

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For my work PC, I use Ubuntu, period. Too many third party apps just don't work very well outside of the Ubuntu ecosystem, apps which I need in order to function in my workplace. I'd probably use something like Arch or rolling my own for work if these apps weren't necessary!

Could you elaborate? Which apps run in Ubuntu and not in Arch?

I would also be interested to hear.

I'm using Fedora on my personal hardware where I don't remember encountering much (Linux-supported) software that wouldn't work. I had to tweak something to get e.g. the native Spotify client working, and it would probably have been easier on Ubuntu for which it's packaged, but problems are relatively few and far between.

On the other hand, in the workplace I've only had Windows in recent years, so it'd be nice to know if there are blind spots in work-oriented software that I've missed.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by bluGill »

matja wrote: post #161
bluGill wrote: post #110

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Probably google. Chromium has made the decision to bundle all their dependencies instead of play nice with system libraries. Which means you either need to re-roll all of chromium when something is found, or you need to undo google's efforts. I don't blame distributions for refusing to give chromium poor support - it is intentionally not playing nice.

Is that the case for all distros? For Arch I see only libEGL/libGLESv2 are bundled, every other library is an external dependancy: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/chromium/

All is far too strong to apply when there are as many different distributions as their are. Arch must have done the work to separate out all those dependencies, Debian has also stated their position is dependencies must be separated out as well.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by ArclightMat »

tssva wrote: post #126
zarkov99 wrote: post #90

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PopOS has decent power management.

PopOS does slightly better than most distros out of the box on my Thinkpad. Installing tlp greatly improves battery life across all distros I have tried and basically eliminates the advantage PopOS has. Unfortunately compared to this level of improvement I still get about a 30% improvement in battery life using Windows without any tweaking at all.

Have you checked out Fedora? Out of the box I had as good as (or close enough to) Windows' battery life on my ThinkPads and normal consumer hardware due to certain optimizations [1] they've made, to the point where I don't even run tlp anymore.

Furthermore they've introduced power-profiles-daemon in Fedora 35 [2] by default, which allow granular-ish control similar to Windows' "Power Mode" option and PopOS' system76-power.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ImprovedLaptopBattery... [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Power_Profiles_Daemon

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by qwerty456127 »

smackeyacky wrote: post #254
qwerty456127 wrote: post #241

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> About 90% of the (GUI) software ever developed? I'm happy to hear that there are quality Linux alternatives nowadays, but there's just many order of magnitudes more choice on Windows Most of the people don't need this though. I've migrated many individuals and middle offices from Windows to Ubuntu (for myself I prefer Manjaro though) starting from 2007. They only use Firefox/Chrome, Skype/Telegram, Thunderbird, Lib…

VSCode is fine if you are doing .net core. Paint.NET is great though, its genuinely the only thing I miss at my debian machine.

> VSCode is fine if you are doing .net core.

I know. But it lacks ReSharper and I also just feel better and happen to be significantly more productive in the full Visual Studio because of its look-and-feel (this is a mild OCD-related phenomenon). VSCode also notably lacks visual WinForms designer (a thing I would actually pay to get on Linux) and many other features many programmers use.

> Paint.NET is great though, its genuinely the only thing I miss at my debian machine

Try Pinta really, if you still didn't. It's worse but does approximately the same job in the most of the use cases. I would feel really sad and do any hacking to return it if it would be discontinued.

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