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Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Post by denton-scratch » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 9:41 AM UTC

jack_riminton wrote: post #29

tyingq wrote: post #17

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We don't regulate alcohol use, and it's quite a lot more destructive for some. I don't get the specific puritanism for pot. Edit: Regulate as in drug testing for past use in an employment context, like what the story is talking about.

Which country are you in? Alcohol is one of the most highly regulated substances on the planet. Also, no puritanism here, just facts about how people can use pot and remain completely in control (again, worth pointing out that someone can fail a pot drug test if they smoked it weeks ago)

> Alcohol is one of the most highly regulated substances on the planet.

It's one of the most-highly taxed. Not quite the same as being banned nearly everywhere, with many countries having mandatory death sentences.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Post by denton-scratch » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 9:48 AM UTC

crazy_horse wrote: post #195

JshWright wrote: post #192

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What does "medicinal uses" have to do with the topic of impaired driving? There are all sorts of legal medications that will also impair someone's ability to drive.

The use of THC does not mean you are impaired.

If you used enough of it so it actually works, then yes; you are impaired. If you didn't use enough to get impaired, then you wasted your money.

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Post by junon » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 10:20 AM UTC

ineedasername wrote: post #228

junon wrote: post #190

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Anecdotally, I have never met nor heard of anyone mixing anything with weed except for tobacco, sometimes . So how is this "correct"?

Because I know people that have mixed drugs like that. Usually some type of euphoric. So it is correct, though I don't know if it's particularly common.

Weed doesn't cause people to do that. So why does it matter?

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Post by lupire » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 12:14 PM UTC

petre wrote: post #243

14 wrote: post #240

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Even if your friend truly did not consume marijuana how do you conclude it was the ibuprofen that caused that failed test?

It was the only medication he was taking at the time because of a tooth ache. The authority requiring the test let it pass.

So you don't know what triggered the test or if he consumed marijuana.

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Post by denton-scratch » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 12:31 PM UTC

hughrr wrote: post #90

eurasiantiger wrote: post #87

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Hmm. This is a tough one. Do you think those people come off unreliable because they use cannabis, or would it be more likely that they, for example, suffer from a(n undiagnosed) medical condition such as PTSD or ADHD, which tend to make them a bit unreliable at times, but which cannabis treats so that the person is in fact more reliable when constantly high?

I knew some of them before they started using it. It’s almost entirely the cannabis. Including the dude now in psychiatric care after it kicked his schizophrenia hard. Everyone was promoted it as harmless. It’s not. I’m seeing lives wrecked. And yes I know alcohol is bad. But I see less long term damage from that as most people seem to grow out of alcoholism I have know. Cannabis not so much - it becomes the primary…

Pot doesn't agree with schizophrenia. We've known that for a long time. It can certainly trigger an episode.

On the other hand, my experience is that many people with bipolar find it improves their mood.

If you have psychiatric difficulties, then it's not a good idea to mess with drugs that are in any way psychedelic. If you have problems with hypertension, it's not a good idea to mess with caffeine or cocaine.

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Post by denton-scratch » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 12:33 PM UTC

eurasiantiger wrote: post #91

hughrr wrote: post #90

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I knew some of them before they started using it. It’s almost entirely the cannabis. Including the dude now in psychiatric care after it kicked his schizophrenia hard. Everyone was promoted it as harmless. It’s not. I’m seeing lives wrecked. And yes I know alcohol is bad. But I see less long term damage from that as most people seem to grow out of alcoholism I have know. Cannabis not so much - it becomes the primary…

I think your viewpoint might be biased — do you know any people who haven’t had their lives wrecked because of cannabis? Is cannabis legal where you live? Criminality causes stress and paranoia. Are you living in a heavily Christian environment? Asking because in heavily religious environments, schizophrenia with religious illusions often occurs as a result of internal conflict between sin-programming and self-percep…

> do you know any people who haven’t had their lives wrecked because of cannabis?

Well, there's me.

And of course, there's all the people I know who haven't ever used cannabis (I take it you meant me to exclude them).

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Post by denton-scratch » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 12:41 PM UTC

hughrr wrote: post #94

eurasiantiger wrote: post #91

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I think your viewpoint might be biased — do you know any people who haven’t had their lives wrecked because of cannabis? Is cannabis legal where you live? Criminality causes stress and paranoia. Are you living in a heavily Christian environment? Asking because in heavily religious environments, schizophrenia with religious illusions often occurs as a result of internal conflict between sin-programming and self-percep…

I am in my late 40s. Most of the proponents are a lot younger. They haven’t seen the impact it has on them until they get older. That’s not bias. As for other points I’m an atheist with zero religious values at all. I have used it myself as well. And I’m in a country in a city where no one gives a crap. I’m about as unbiased as you can get. As for sins, I’m a pretty big fan of them as whole. The issue here is with th…

I'm in my mid-sixties (and I'm not a proponent - I would never propound the recreational use of any drug). Maybe I'm not old enough to observe the effects you are referring to. But frankly I think this is arse-over-tit: I think it's young people, with little experience, that are most likely to be harmed by pot. Young people are more likely than older people to experience schizo for the first time; such people are less likely to be cautious in their use of pot. If you're over 40, and you've been using it since your teens, then I don't think you're likely to get many surprises from pot.

I did get a hypotension episode a few years ago, as a result of starting a new strain a bit over-enthusiastically. But even coffee can cause palpitations, if you drink too much just because you like drinking coffee.

My understanding is that certain high-THC strains are much more likely to give rise to psychological problems than other strains. I'm not aware that CBD as such can result in psychological problems.

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Post by gruez » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 1:09 PM UTC

pope_meat wrote: post #225

gruez wrote: post #216

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Alright, let's flip the question: what doesn't constitute an "extension of prison labor"? If you think everything is an "extension of prison labor" that's not really an interesting statement. Is being a prehistoric hunter-gatherer also an "extension of prison labor"? It seems to check your boxes. Risking your life to hunt for woolly mammoths definitely seems more risky than delivering packages at 8:37pm, so I doubt t…

Hunter gatherer society actually included A LOT of downtime. People are being worked to death, and it's reflected in the deteriorating mental health that's prevalent. I'll have to ask the guy next time I see him if he feels like "it's voluntary", because someone on the internet said "well, actually, they choose this!" The contractor/gig economy is absolutely gross, and the vast majority of people are turning a blind…

>Hunter gatherer society actually included A LOT of downtime

Why is downtime relevant here? We're talking about whether it's voluntary or not. Also, does that mean prison labor isn't prison labor if they're sufficient "downtime"?

>People are being worked to death, and it's reflected in the deteriorating mental health that's prevalent.

Okay, the working conditions are bad, I never denied that. But you know what's worse? Being a prehistoric hunter-gatherer. I'm going to go on a limb and say that hunting woolly mammoths is orders of magnitude more dangerous. If that's the metric we're using then their "extension of prison labor"-ness is off the charts compared to amazon.

>I'll have to ask the guy next time I see him if he feels like "it's voluntary", because someone on the internet said "well, actually, they choose this!"

I'll reiterate my question from the prior comment: are hunter-gatherers' hunting activities "voluntary"? If not, does that mean what they're doing is an "extension of prison labor"?

>Are you seriously going to tell me you don't understand what's wrong here?

I acknowledge the unfavorable working conditions that they're under, but I disagree with the characterization that it's an "extension of prison labor". Comparing it to that might provide shock value for how bad their working conditions are, but it's a disservice to the actual prison labor population because it trivializes their issues.

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Post by gruez » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 1:10 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #242

gruez wrote: post #197

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>There's a difference: Amazon can pay more. As you said, the millennials can't. Just like it's Amazon's choice to live with a driver shortage if they can pay more but won't. But GP was talking about "any shortage", not just amazon's shortage. For the sake of argument I'll let that slide. I'm sure millennials can pay more. It just would involve uncomfortable sacrifices, and most people don't think that's not worth the…

> But GP was talking about "any shortage", not just amazon's shortage. And followed it by arguing they could just raise wages, which makes it clear the "any" is within the context of at least talking about employers, and quite likely specifically talking about Amazon You're being obtuse. > Likewise, amazon would like more delivery drivers, but isn't desperate enough to actually raise wages and/or improve working cond…

>And followed it by arguing they could just raise wages

>In other words, they've made a choice.

Did you skip the rest of the comment about how millennials can pay more, but choose not to?

Re: Amazon’s answer to delivery driver shortage: Pot smokers

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Post by eurasiantiger » Sat, Sep 04, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

denton-scratch wrote: post #250

eurasiantiger wrote: post #239

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Sure. But how about the fact that tobacco and coffee actually share the same psychoactive substances, i.e. Harmala alkaloids?

Do they or don't they have the same harmful effect on health? It's a new one on me that coffee contains nicotine, the principal addictive agent in tobacco.

They do have the same effects on the central nervous system as far as Harmala alkaloids are concerned, including deleterious effects. Some of the aforementioned alkaloids are neurotoxic, are deposited in brain fatty tissues, and can proceed the development of neurological disorders such as Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s disease.

The public is largely noninformed about the constituents of coffee and tobacco smoke. Only nicotine and caffeine are ever mentioned, and even scientific articles routinely confuse the effects of pure nicotine and tobacco smoke, and those of pure caffeine and coffee. It is a collective illusion.

I never claimed that coffee contains nicotine: rather, what coffee and tobacco have in common are these Harmala alkaloids, the most abundant of which act as so-called monoamine oxidase inhibitors in humans.

However, some rather unexpected things do contain nicotine: tomatoes, potatoes, eggplants and green peppers.