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Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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"small business" to national politicians typically means you employee under 500 people. Almost no one considers "self-employed" or "1-3 people" as "small business" when crafting tax legislation. I certainly consider "self-employed" and "I have a couple folks on payroll" to be "small business", but it's just not in the same league as the local brewery employing 85 people, for example. Perhaps we need the term "micro b…

I think micro-business as a term exists (and depending on the exact definition is typically 0-4 full-time employees, including the owner).

Here they're called artisans.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…

Others have already recommended therapy and I agree. I would also recommend loving-kindness mediation, and reading the book "Don't Shoot the Dog" to understand how brains work.

I could try giving you financial advice, but the problem is that you would not follow it, and we both know it. So instead, I will recommend a few tricks I use to make myself believe that I have less money than I actually have (which reduces the impulse to spend too much).

First, realize that "the money you have" is just a fiction anyway. Suppose you have a $100,000 mortgage, and $10,000 in your bank account. Does it mean you have $10,000 that you are free to spend? No, it actually means you have $90,000 debt. The number $10,000 is so misleading that the less you think about it, the better for you. (You have an option to reduce the fiction by making an advance payment to the mortgage. Perhaps you should do it when the feeling "I have too much money" becomes too strong.)

Perhaps you should get a second bank account, move some money from the first account there, and then forget that the second account exists. Even better, if possible, make it so that only your wife (or both of you together) can move money from the second account. Again, when the feeling "I have too much money" gets too strong, move some money from the first account to the second account, and then forget that you did this. (There should be no card associated with the second bank account.)

I am not American, so I don't know whether this would be a practical advice or a huge inconvenience for you, but don't use cards, always pay cash. With cards, paying is too easy, and the money is too virtual. Do you NOT want to simplify things you want to do less of! Keep between $100 and $500 in your purse, pay cash, and whenever you get below $100, take $400 more from an ATM. If you notice yourself visiting the ATM twice during the same week, you know you are spending too much. More importantly, this way your brain will learn to interpret "how much money do I have" as the amount in your purse, not the amount in your bank account (and definitely not the amount in your second bank account.)

Generally, the best way to get rid of a habit is to replace it with an alternative. "When you feel tempted to do X, do Y instead" is easier than "simply stop doing X". What could be a replacement for your Amazon scrolling? (Alternatively, could you somehow subvert the process, so that you e.g. scroll for awesome things, then you bookmark them in the browser, but you never actually buy them?) Could you read a book or watch a movie instead? Play a computer game (some ancient game, without loot boxes and stuff)? Learn to cook, or build furniture? (If it must be buying, could you add some artificial constraint, such as "I am going to find the most awesome thing below $5, and then I will buy it"?) Or maybe you could spend some time with people who have much less than you... and perhaps buy something genuinely useful for them. (As a side effect, thinking about other people's problems makes you think less about yourself. Think how many homeless people you could feed for that $5,000.)

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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> Fortunes are to be found on the intersection of almost any two skills, if you can add more to the pile you are adding more chances for capturing that value. Do you have some anecdotes to share regarding this?

Yes, in fact I have a blog post in draft (for years) already called 'crossroads'. I really should finish that and post it, it might be of actual use to some people.

Please do, it's been a while and man the lego sorting[1] was amazing!

[1] https://jacquesmattheij.com/sorting-two-metric-tons-of-lego/

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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> If I had to give 1 bit of general financial advice though: develop your talent stack. It doesn't matter if it's learning a new programming language, wood-working, learning to fix cars or toilets, taking a foreign language class, learning how to paint, or growing a great garden. If you have multiple skills you have more opportunities to make money as well as combining those skills in unique ways to create new busine…

> Fortunes are to be found on the intersection of almost any two skills, if you can add more to the pile you are adding more chances for capturing that value. Do you have some anecdotes to share regarding this?

One way to achieve great success is to be better than 99.9999% of people at one thing. Think in terms of Larry Bird or Steph Curry practicing shooting a basketball for many thousands of hours. Or think about a concert pianist or violinist sitting in their studio for years practicing their music over and over and over again, being obsessive about eliminating the slightest mistakes that almost nobody would even notice. If you're talented and driven, you can certainly achieve success this way, but it's pretty hard. You have to be among the best in the world at something very competitive.

But there's another way forward, combining good skills that are greater together. Here's an example of a hypothetical set of skills that can lead to a life-changing amount of fame and financial success.

* Maybe you're not among the best cinematographers in the world, but you know your way around a camera, lighting, and video editing software enough to create a reasonably polished video. Your videos are not Hollywood good, but your ability to create a good looking video is in the top 10% of the population.

* Maybe you're not the absolute funniest, best-looking, and most charismatic person in the world, but you've worked on yourself a bit and are noticeably more appealing than an average person, maybe in the top 15-20% of the population.

* Maybe you're not the absolute smartest person when it comes to computers, but you've built a few gaming PCs, took some Computer Science courses in college, read some blogs and forums, and spend some of your free time following the industry. You might be in the top 10% of the general population when it comes to general computer knowledge.

By itself, none of those skills are remarkable in the slightest. You're never going to get a job setting up special effects shots for Michael Bay, no agent is going to notice you at Starbucks and give you a contract as a model or actor, and Tim Cook isn't going to ever call you at 2 AM begging for your help with emergency fixes to some web service. But you put those 3 things together in the right way, and you can be a successful Technology YouTuber that has a mass following and influences the computer industry to some extent.

I'd think Kanye is a good example of somebody well-known to look at in terms of a list of talents that are good, but not anywhere close to the best. I'd argue that by music and fashion industry standards, he's nowhere close to the best singer, lyricist, dancer, businessman, or designer in the world. But he has a lot of skills that are all above average when compared to the general population. That's enough to be incredibly successful when combined with his self-promotional ability, risk-taking, desire to increase his knowledge, stubbornness, self-confidence, and charisma.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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post #43

This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…

Hi Wincy, it seems to me not at all pathetic, to struggle with willpower to break bad habits, when you've got a disabled child! Seems to me that looking after your child would take lots of willpower and cause stress and lack of freedom, and that you should forgive yourself for using "retail therapy" as a coping strategy. ;) Perhaps the answer lies partly in finding a support group with other "special needs parents", as lets face it most of the population don't understand what its like to have a disabled child until it happens to them. Beyond that, one way not to waste money is to think of it in terms of hours you give your employer, spent money is spent life hours, therefore you're really shooting yourself in the foot, but obviously you know that.. frugality, hunting down deals can be fun and kind of a sport in itself (in moderation of course!) ,also being frugal reduces one's footprint on the earth and amount of waste one creates which can help others, so can be a motivator. If really you have no self-control over this (which is 100% understandable when dealing with other challenges) then how about some tricks like automatically pay money into a higher interest savings bond that has penalties if withdrawn early, or pay into an account that someone else has control of like a trusted friend or family member has to countersign or something, just surrender control to someone else for a temporary period if you really can't trust yourself. Can your partner/spouse help? I guess maybe not if you're asking here. Anyway I think nothing to be ashamed of, because loving and caring for a disabled person is enough to deal with, and having cr*ppy finances as result, well, like can be like that.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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I mean I've read this comment about 3-4 times now and I get that you start with "No" in regards to my original comment... but I was super weirded out on the overall direction. I'm talking about median wages and you immediately jump into talking about "mansions"...? As-if the majority of folks today having troubles finding an affordable place are looking for "mansions".........? > Instead, I think that buying massive…

I mean I've read this comment about 3-4 times now and I get that you start with "No" in regards to my original comment... but I was super weirded out on the overall direction. I'm talking about median wages and you immediately jump into talking about "mansions"...? As-if the majority of folks today having troubles finding an affordable place are looking for mansions".........? There are multiple metrics here, but man…

You're putting words in my mouth with stuff like:

> No, heh, no it is not, at least not in the context we're discussing. Capitalism didn't start in the last 20 years.

I did not make the claim that Capitalism started in the last 20 years - I made the claim that debt/credit is at the basis of a capitalistic society which is econ 101.

> Not sure we're going to agree here though.

We very much will not, and I don't appreciate how you literally were putting words in my mouth to back your claim. Good day.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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I think this is a pretty good article, though I'd think that most financial gurus aren't trying to lie, they're just trying to give advice that's feasible for a mass audience to try and learn. To give an example; the article mentions Dave Ramsey talking down to his callers and giving generic advice such as cutting up your credit cards. I don't follow Ramsey too closely and can't read his mind, but I'd bet he's optimi…

I think what you said is great, especially about having 100% of the cash to buy something, before you buy it, so that you 100% know you will be able to pay that bill and avoid the super high interest rates on credit cards.

And, there is nothing wrong with not using credit cards. Especially if you don't have a job that pays $200,000+ per year so you can afford to buy a house. But for someone making $35,000, of what use is credit?

I suppose that buying groceries and gasoline and getting cash back is fine, and worth it. And making sure you can return items if there's a problem. But the way a lot of people talk about credit cards, is that they are some kind of holy grail.

But for people who are halfway intelligent, I don't think that financial expert is really that necessary. Just read a lot of great books on the subject, watch a lot of videos, and manage it yourself. It's not that difficult. Why even pay someone. But, this does not apply to someone who has super high worth, like $250 million plus, but it's kind of dumb to talk about them, because they're going to know what to do anyways, or at least 99.9% of them.

Also, try to develop a talent stack that actually is valuable, if that's what you're going to do. Nothing wrong with learning how to grow roses, for example. That is a hobby, not a skill or talent, in my opinion. Sure, maybe one out of 100 million will somehow write a book on rose growing, but that is the exceptionally rare exception. However, learning to landscape and taking classes at your local college and getting certifications is a different issue. But even then, you have to be able to actually DO it if needed, for money - so you have to be able to life heavy stuff, work in the sun all day, etc. If you can't, what's the point. Same with your example of painting - that's a pretty useless thing to learn. And again, this is in terms of money, which you stated in the first part: "1 bit of general financial advice though: develop your talent stack"

Learn computer programming. Learn plumbing. Learn auto repair. Stuff you can make money at.

And again, nothing wrong with doing stuff as a hobby because you enjoy them, but that is a different topic.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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post #43

This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…

For me it was getting married and having a shared account and a spouse who doesn’t have adhd impulse control. It will get better if you find someone who fills this void. Therapy is good until then, you need constant awareness of the issue to me able to throw up hurdles like blocking websites via iOS screen time functionality etc.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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Is he really 'working for Apple', when he's the CEO? It'd be fairer to say he has Apple working for him. Of course you can get rich (or at least well off) in A Job. but realistically, that almost invariably means becoming a workplace strategist and doing office politics to make sure you outpace your peers, not just performing a job you like and then checking out to focus on your domestic life. If you are just a dilig…

> Is he really 'working for Apple', when he's the CEO? It'd be fairer to say he has Apple working for him. Apple's employees are managed by him, but both him and the other employees are working for the apple's shareholders.

Time Cook owns about 800k shares of AAPL. Of course he is technically employed as a top level manager, but it's naive to think CEOs and other senior executives don't make decisions in their own interests as well as those of their nominal employers (many of whom never even vote on company business).

I'm not singling Cook out here, he seems like a nice person. But i think you understand that there's a big difference between being a regular worker bee and CEO of a large corporation.

Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice

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post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I've read this comment about 3-4 times now and I get that you start with "No" in regards to my original comment... but I was super weirded out on the overall direction. I'm talking about median wages and you immediately jump into talking about "mansions"...? As-if the majority of folks today having troubles finding an affordable place are looking for mansions".........? There are multiple metrics here, but man…

You're putting words in my mouth with stuff like: > No, heh, no it is not, at least not in the context we're discussing. Capitalism didn't start in the last 20 years. I did not make the claim that Capitalism started in the last 20 years - I made the claim that debt/credit is at the basis of a capitalistic society which is econ 101. > Not sure we're going to agree here though. We very much will not, and I don't apprec…

This is a very ... disappointing end to this conversation.

My point was, not that you said "the last 20 years", but instead, I am saying that credit as a basis of US style capitalism, has existed for 20 years.

And I go on above, to explain why.

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