To me, Joe Rogan is permanently and fondly associated with the episodes of Chappelle Show with Tyrone Biggums.
Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#252That's fine. An uneducated guy bringing on other uneducated guys that talk about something as if they're experts. Joe is an "average dude" who loves his disinformation and nodding his head to whatever BS someone says. People like words, personalities, hand waving. That's not where truth comes from. Truth is a hard fought battle that doesn't come to you in a podcast. It comes in written words, proofs, and is filled with uncertainty. Actual experts dont give black and white answers, they provide the information and context. People don't like that because it's complicated.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some episodes are no longer available, as if Spotify wants everyone to forget that they even exist. Episodes featuring Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones etc. In other words, guests that offend the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley
Milo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist, that offends more than "the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley," it offends everyone that's not a white supremacist. Alex Jones testified to being a performance artist and hosts a talk show purely to hawk merchandise. Does that really fit the mold of a thought-provoking podcast like Rogan's?
>Milo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist
Pretty sure he said that while married to a black dude, so unless you can come up with something specific I think its comedy/trolling.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
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This. I just wish he'd take his enormous reach a little more seriously when he entertains quack pseudoscience as if it's an equally valid POV to real peer-reviewed science.
You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?
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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#255I wonder if Rogan would 'not lose influence' had he changed nothing. Feels like these kind of personalities, while they can have long careers, growth / reach isn't infinite or sustainable.
I was looking for who these listeners were switching to, or what the change was relative to overall podcast listenership, and was totally surprised the authors didn't include a base rate in their analysis. Not including base rates in references to anything quantitative is like writing spam emails with spelling mistakes because being dumb enough not to notice is a good proxy for being dumb enough to buy what you are selling. Though I doubt whether the people at the Verge have the sophistication to be intentionally fraudulent. They just need enough noise or to craft a conflict around. However it's a good example of data-horoscope journalism, where you backfit your narrative to points on a line.
Rogan is probably the most successful podcaster in the world by a variety of possible metrics, and I'm not sure what a reasonable expectation of how that plays out would be. Does he transform into a being of pure light and ascend into space, or, does he just do a job he likes until he doesn't anymore, and moves on to something else?
The Verge should just say what they mean, which is that Rogan talks to off-brand people and you shouldn't be tempted by how good the conversations are because it will not align you with crumbling mainstream narratives, and instead you should spend your time engaged with their clickbait talking points factory deciphering their adolescent purple sophistry.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#256To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.
He’s always been up and down that road. I don’t agree with Joe on a lot of things but I don’t know that is his goal. If there is one thing that I think Joe does reasonably well- its to have you consider your stance and reasons for feeling that way. I think it’s healthy to reflect on why you take stances on things like politics, culture and religion. Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I thin…
For a long time he thought the moon landing was fake. That's not a position you arrive at with reasoned science and understanding how the world works. He's stated he thinks Bigfoot could be real. He does the same thing on a myriad of other topics. He presents some random quack as just as valid as real science.
If he was just some random dude none of this would matter. But with 11 million followers, sometimes this "my youtube research is just as valid as your scientific research" attitude can do real harm, as it did with vaccines.
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I think he self labels that way to sometimes get away with fringe viewpoints This is the same way John Stewart and Stephen Colbert hid behind, "I'm just a comedian." It's a great strategy if you can pull it off.
You can pull it off if you've got integrity. John Stewart surely has plenty of integrity in my eyes. Joe's definitely also going for integrity, but maybe he's also liable to be pulled into the views of his guests. He certainly keeps an open mind, but if you surround yourself with a certain kind of people at some point you'll develop a bias no matter how open you're trying to be. What's scarier are the persons who for…
There is no real legal distinction between entertainers and journalists. The separation of news and editorial content is purely a matter of ethics and not law. Journalists don't have any special statutory privileges.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
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When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. The whole "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news and why I signed off years ago. Does the Sun orbit the Earth? Let's get a crazy person on and see. It's okay because we'll give an expert a few minutes too.
Ok great, so you've picked a side and have your ears shut. Don't act like everyone else should adopt that attitude.
> you've picked a side and have your ears shut
OP doesn’t claim Rogan should be de-platofrmed. Just that pushing batshit theories is an explanation for his declining influence. I enjoy watching flat earthers from time to time. But I’m not going to make it a part of my information diet.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. The whole "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news and why I signed off years ago. Does the Sun orbit the Earth? Let's get a crazy person on and see. It's okay because we'll give an expert a few minutes too.
You see an equivalency between discussing new vaccine technologies for a novel virus, and discussing whether the Sun orbits the Earth?
Yeah, when they spout obviously false, easily-checkable things like "it alters your DNA" that are clearly intended to scare people.
Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence
#260Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s
For it to be the schtick that'd have to be sort of the pont of the show, but it's only a topic of discussion so long as it's made relevant by those in our society, and even then that ignores the large diversity of guests and topics in his show. There's nothing wrong with listening to two regular people have a conversation regardless of their qualifications for the topics they're discussing. They don't pretend to be p…
I think we all know JRE is not about two people having shit conversation. I used to listen to it since 2016. In the past couple of years, JRE is all about let's bring out what triggers the other side; no matter what the other side is all about.
I have friends I have lost because of this, whom I have no idea how to respond to their messages anymore; Intelligent and educated ones.
Regular people argument doesn't apply in here.