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I've never understood the appeal of OnlyFans. If your goal is to consume adult content, then you can get it in massive amounts for free, and without using an app. If your goal is to make money from online sex work, the ~$180 average monthly earnings are simply appaling when you compare them to traditional porn sites, where some workers earn that money in a day.

Platforms like onlyfans sell two products. They sell safe/clean sex work to a variety of people who would never get into regular sex work. And they sell the feeling of mattering and a sense of human connection to people who suffer from loneliness.

The only weird part is why the popular OnlyFans sex workers stay on the platform instead of moving to their own where they wouldn’t have to pay 20% to the platform. I’m sure there is a reasonable explanation for that though, maybe it’s hard to keep the same subscribers?

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it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

> For $$ per hour worked, why would they field low wage, menial jobs with a risk of COVID? Median OF revenue per creator is $180/mo for equivalent of a full time job. https://sea.mashable.com/culture/17130/top-onlyfans-creators... .

> Median OF revenue per creator is $180/mo

Many factors can lead to this, but that's not surprising, the law of distributions when it comes to things like this is that there are incredible earners and then a massive drop off and long tail.

> for equivalent of a full time job.

You added this, I don't doubt that some people put in a lot more effort than the monetary amount they get back- but the inverse is also true and no source claims that "you get $180 for a full time workload", because that's impossible to measure at scale.

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I'm a real sucker when it comes to love & as a geologist, most of the time I'm hardly around. Even though I'm always away, I never go a day without calling or face timing my wife & kids especially when the network is good at the sites. I noticed my wife started avoiding my calls & one day the strangest thing happened. I called many times and she didn't answer. Minutes later my phone rang & it seemed to be a pocket dialed. To my shock were sounds of my wife moaning. The next day I was conflicted with how I should confront her so I chose to share my experience with a close friend. My Friend introduced me to a professional guy he met on reddit who knows of his way around the internet. He showed me the mother load. Conversations, voice notes and nude pictures that she shared with her lover (she doesn't even send me nudes & I know how many times I've asked). She was living a secret life. although i am still in shock I'm just glad i was introduced to THEJAMIEHOOKUP@gmail.com

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Investments aren’t loans, so you don’t have to pay it back the way a loan might be.

Thanks, I guess I was wrong on that count. It makes sense. The first part continues to baffle me. If I have a proven profit of $X/year and I have the market captured (speaking on the order of 10% or 50%, doesn't matter), how does it make sense to seek investment in the order of 100*X? What's the goal? Why not just keep milking the proven cash cow and stop growing and risking?

You need to look at it slightly differently. The founders aren't looking at the money they can make from the cash cow. Revenue is a long-term earner and requires them to keep being successful for that long term. An exit (via a sale of the business) is the real short-term earner & lets them walk away (m/b)illionaires.

Therefore the game is to optimise valuation - the higher the investment round, the higher the company valuation, and the higher the sale value.

Simple as that.

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That's not exactly true. It's not that an undergraduate degree is worthless, but it's become pretty standard. You may not stand above the rest with just a degree, but you certainly fall below the rest without one. I don't mean this from an intelligence or skill perspective, some of the smartest people I know don't have college degrees. But when the big companies are recruiting from college career fairs or listing it…

I have a friend who worked for 5 years at a big consultancy company and he got stonewalled for getting promoted to a team lead role because he didn't have a masters degree. Like, he was getting top marks every year at performance review, clearly knew how to do the job, but some internal policy somewhere said that you can't be a lead without a masters degree, sorry. He did manage to arrange with them that they would p…

Your friend was working for a bureaucratic company.

Source: I know plenty of engineers without any formal degrees working for big money at real companies.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's pretty huge COVID hit recently graduated Gen-Z incredibly hard. There's huge groups that are/were unemployed and then there's huge groups who are sexually repressed due to quarantine. Across the whole world, too*. Many can easily make more than min wage, and in certain niches you probably don't even have to be 'conventionally beautiful' (sorry to use this term, but it's important I think) to make a living or sol…

In Germany, all Craftsmen are just laughing. Tiler, Carpenter, electrician, etc.. all of them have enough to do, can choose their clients and their wages. I understand that HN always will tend to talk about CS, but Craftsmen are doing their 40k/year, easily. The Salary potential is just increasing.

You know Devs can relatively easily get around 250k in NY / SF right?

Trades are solid career choices but it's hard work and you expire at about the same rate as a software dev.

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post #185

I've never understood the appeal of OnlyFans. If your goal is to consume adult content, then you can get it in massive amounts for free, and without using an app. If your goal is to make money from online sex work, the ~$180 average monthly earnings are simply appaling when you compare them to traditional porn sites, where some workers earn that money in a day.

It's literally no different from YouTube/Twitch/etc: people see the big earners and think "hey, I could do that" without realizing it's a pyramid scheme.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not exactly true. It's not that an undergraduate degree is worthless, but it's become pretty standard. You may not stand above the rest with just a degree, but you certainly fall below the rest without one. I don't mean this from an intelligence or skill perspective, some of the smartest people I know don't have college degrees. But when the big companies are recruiting from college career fairs or listing it…

I have a friend who worked for 5 years at a big consultancy company and he got stonewalled for getting promoted to a team lead role because he didn't have a masters degree. Like, he was getting top marks every year at performance review, clearly knew how to do the job, but some internal policy somewhere said that you can't be a lead without a masters degree, sorry. He did manage to arrange with them that they would p…

A Master's degree is what you make of it. A student who only wants the credential for short-term career purposes can skate through without much work or learning. But if you have it the opportunity to attend then why not put in some effort and learn interesting, challenging topics? I find that usually opens up unexpected opportunities later.

It's a bit silly for employers to focus on arbitrary educational credentials instead of actual ability. But on the other hand for large organizations managing thousands of employees it's challenging to treat everyone as a unique individual. Some level of forced standardization is the only way to make it work efficiently at scale.

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A question to you entrepreneurial types. Why does an globally established and growing company with a proven business model want to raise a billion dollar investment? It's money they'll have to pay back with interest and I assume there would be other strings attached (like the high risk implied by the planned move that was now canceled). How is possibly better than organic growth at this point where they are probably…

This is actually an important question.

First, they probably don't have to pay back with interest. Large investments, provided by upper tier firms are "cheap" atm. For loans that means very low interest. More commonly in tech world, these are equity investments. Investors get shares. Dividends are paid in theory, but not or on a strict schedule and not if the company can't afford it. Increasingly, not at all. If you can be securitized and fed into the "high finance" system, you get to exist in a much more attractive monetary system.

A more pertinent question is "why do they need investment at all?" Assuming they can operate out of revenue, most answers to this question are controversial, one way or another.

One reason is cashing out founders and early investors. OF is popular now, but it could lose popularity. Founders are currently paper millionaires and selling equity gives them an opportunity to sell shares too. Even if the company itself sells all the shares, just having cash in OF's account is a buffer to risk.

A more amorphous set of reasons is "getting in with the in crowd." An equity investment is also a valuation event. It gives shares a market value. Besides allowing founders to sell shares, it also makes it easier to compensate employees with options. The company can use shares to buy other companies. Etc. All this relies on shares having a market value, and selling shares to an institutional investor is a way of doing this.

There's also good reason to establish a relationship with a financial backer. You'd rather talk to a merchant bank when times are good, revenue is flowing and investors want in, not when the company is struggling. In the future, you might need emergency cash on a short turnaround. You might want growth finance... likely for a network that needs to scale. otherwise, you leave opportunities for the competition. You kind of need an institutional backers to help you IPO, or otherwise interact with the financial sector.

A lot of this is pretty speculative, but an OnlyFans backed by Softbank might find it easier to negotiate terms with standard payments providers. It might have an easier path to IPO, etc.

In the old days, when firms built factories and made widgets, it was always big news when a big firm signed with a big bank. This was presumed to be a long term relationship, with the merchant bank funding the company and selling its bonds, leading major investment rounds when needed. These relationships were the bedrock of capitalism. Japan's economy for example, was entirely structured around merchant banks. "Keiretsu" brands like Mitsubishi & Mitsui were basically just a bunch of companies backed by a single merchant bank.

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