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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by andrecarini »

jw1224 wrote: post #230
FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

1Password’s 2FA OTP auto-fill is such a blessing. It saves me so much time compared to how I used to have to do it — pull out phone, unlock, open Authy, wait forever for it to load, type in code, put phone away… It’s the little things that all add up. I’m very happy with 1Password — been using it for 10 years, and happy to subscribe, considering it’s probably my most-used utility app.

> 1Password’s 2FA OTP auto-fill is such a blessing.

Until your vault is somehow compromised and your second factor is no longer distinct from the first one...

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by criddell »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #114
samgranieri wrote: post #61

Damn. This is a huge mistake. I've used 1password for over a decade. I will happily buy an upgrade license. I just don't want another subscription to my credit card. This is rent seeking! Maybe I'll try bitwarden.

>People are said to seek rents when they try to obtain benefits for themselves through the political arena. They typically do so by getting a subsidy for a good they produce or for being in a particular class of people, by getting a tariff on a good they produce, or by getting a special regulation that hampers their competitors. You may not like the subscription business model, but it isn't rent seeking. Monthly paym…

From Wikipedia:

> Rent-seeking implies extraction of uncompensated value from others without making any contribution to productivity.

I think the rent seeking comment was about removing the option for (free) Dropbox sync and only supporting the subscription-based plan. They are asking for more money for less product.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by j7ake »

evanb wrote: post #178

Also a stand-alone user since 1pw4. This news finally got me to try pass, the command-line utility. https://www.passwordstore.org/ The format is plain text. You can git control your password repo. You can organize into directories, etc. It has an extension architecture; you can have it generate otps, for example. You can have specific passwords unlock with more than 1 key, if you want to do eg. family or business sha…

I have been using passwordstore for several years now and I wouldn't be able to go back another product, even if other products were free.

Note that the private git repo can be uploaded to the cloud, which allows one to access passwords on multiple computers as well as on my phone.

Also I would like to highlight qtpass client for a very user-friendly GUI interface to quickly access passwords.

In my opinion, anyone that has basic knowledge of the terminal should be able to set up passwordstore no problem. Once it is set up, one can use qtpass or other GUI clients.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by selykg »

caymanjim wrote: post #210

Is there a single reason to use 1Password instead of Bitwarden? Bitwarden has a better UI, supports all the same platforms (including browser plugins), lets you easily manage true separation between profiles (unlike 1Password, which essentially forces you to use a single master unlock for say work and personal), and most importantly, lets you self-host. And it's free. 1Password is consumer-hostile and an inferior pro…

I would not say Bitwarden has a better UI. Though I guess that's an opinion thing, but oof, is Bitwarden's UI bad. It's almost actively painful to use for me some days. The extension isn't as bad as the desktop app, but the iOS app is absolutely atrocious.

I still use it because I'd rather pay $10/yr instead of $36/yr. But I wish Bitwarden would take some time to actually make the app not awful in the UI/UX department.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by joshuarubin »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #247
falcolas wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I come at it from a slightly different angle. I got in when it was syncing via Dropbox and iCloud, and it worked perfectly fine. The switch to a subscription service is a forced downgrade for me; it's putting functionality I already have behind a subscription. This is particularly an issue since the old versions (versions I paid for, mind you) are slowly going away (typically as a recompilation and submission is requ…

I only have the iOS non-subscription version and am happy with it. Is this going away? It allows me to use the vault on all of my iOS devices and that’s sufficient.

Sounds like the answer is yes.

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Post by kureikain »

muzzio wrote: post #71
nightski wrote: post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

I moved to Bitwarden from Lastpass also, and I'm definitely happy for the most part. The chrome extension leaves a tiny bit to be desired, but definitely still usable: * Not as good about determining correct sign-in URL and lots of times will send me through the auth redirect from registration * Launching sites without mouse isn't possible (shortcut exists to open extension but can't select site to launch it using ar…

The paid plan support OTP token and allow big file so you can embed stuff like google cloud json token file. The free has 1000character limit(per field) if I remember correctly.

Bitwarden run so much faster than 1password despite being a browser extension.

The CLI is great too. I pretty much use it like a cheap version of Vault to feed secret into K8S.

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Post by jackson1442 »

rgovostes wrote: post #233

Scott Forstall, who led iOS until 2012 and oversaw the creation of the App Store, once said that he installed a new app every day to see what new ideas developers were coming up with. The mass migration of apps to the subscription model has killed this sort of exploration and discovery of new apps. As one example, I recently looked for a flight tracker and many wanted more than $30/yr for a tool that is (to me) an oc…

I think the model needs to go back to paying for updates/support. Would be great if this was a native behavior on mobile app stores as well (you can kinda do this with Bundles on iOS but it's still kinda hacky).

Haven't paid for this software in the past 365 days? Go to the community forum. You can pay 60% of the license charge for another year of updates and support.

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Post by dfdz »

> This worked well for nearly a decade but by 2013 the cracks were already showing. By then we had client apps for all platforms, with each one requiring their own separate purchase, often across multiple app stores. And paid upgrades to major new versions were so incredibly painful for everyone involved that we rarely had any.

I think they are being fairly transparent. Starting in 2013 there old business model stopped making sense. They were selling individual products for each platform, while trying to integrate all platforms at the same time. The natural solution was to move to a subscription model for a unified service. This provides a mutli-platform solution and generates a continuous stream of income.

As a consumer, I actually prefer this model for a security app since it means that it will continue to receive regular updates. There is lots of competition in the space of password managers so I am not worried about them increasing the cost of the service to more than a few dollars a month (if they did this I would just switch to another service).

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Post by cmer »

vetinari wrote: post #243
thatswrong0 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a long-time 1password shill I have hit my limit and will slowly start migrating to BitWarden Bitwarden's desktop app is built on Electron..

While that's true, the good thing is, that you don't really need it, the browser extension is enough.

You also don't need the Mac app with 1Password. Their browser extensions can be used without it, and they're awesome.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mdaniel »

andrecarini wrote: post #251
jw1224 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1Password’s 2FA OTP auto-fill is such a blessing. It saves me so much time compared to how I used to have to do it — pull out phone, unlock, open Authy, wait forever for it to load, type in code, put phone away… It’s the little things that all add up. I’m very happy with 1Password — been using it for 10 years, and happy to subscribe, considering it’s probably my most-used utility app.

> 1Password’s 2FA OTP auto-fill is such a blessing. Until your vault is somehow compromised and your second factor is no longer distinct from the first one...

I am cognizant of this risk, and assume it, because security is always a spectrum between Secure and Convenient. If I had to pull out my phone every time I wanted to use 2FA, I for sure would not be so liberal to turn it on for all the "low value" properties the way I do now

I have never even _heard_ of someone having their 1P master password compromised and the vault(s) exfiltrated (although I grant you it could be just because the NSA doesn't write blog posts about their pwn2own victories)

It's my recollection AgileBits is also running (that is: currently) a CTF with a publicly exposed vault, so folks can test the resilience against attack for themselves

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