TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:52 PM UTC

n8cpdx wrote: post #129

cronix wrote: post #73

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Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

This is an out of touch take from the TikTok=China=bad days of 2019/2020. I see queer creators on TikTok all the time. Quite frequently actually. This was the second video that showed up for me today, with 500k views (it is propaganda out of the White House, in collaboration with a popular queer creator): https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosCgTr/ Only 50k views from an amateur creator, because TikTok hates queers: https://vm.…

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by phatfish » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

karmasimida wrote: post #141

TikTok is not social media and can be used without 'engaging' with anyone, is an incredible useful feature to me.

I've never used TikTok, but that sounds nice.

The "comment" section that has appeared under every piece of content on the internet in the last 10 years is the source of so much wasted effort and conflict it's truly depressing.

If TikTok is breaking that pattern then it's a step in the right direction.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by fumar » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

aerosmile wrote: post #235

cronix wrote: post #73

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Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

If you had an issue with Zuck calling early Facebook users "dumb f**ks," wait until you find out what's going on behind the closed Tik Tok doors. You have to remember - we're still in the honeymoon phase with Tik Tok and haven't learned to hate them yet. Once the media and all your friends start sharing hatred about Tik Tok, leaks are going to start coming out, and there will be all the other fun ways through which w…

Does a US competitor need to be FB? I would like to see a new more privacy focused social experience prop up. It doesn’t need to be a network per se, but it can be. How do we create a fertile bed for development of new connected experiences? Do we already have it? I am wary of venture capital culture that requires outsized gains. Isn’t there a slow stock market concept now?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by tintt » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

Well, Facebook held the crown for way too long, it was bound to happen, but honestly I don’t see TikTok as a Facebook killer. It feels too niche to be popular in the long run.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by zmk5 » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:54 PM UTC

OldTimeCoffee wrote: post #244

zmk5 wrote: post #239

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TikTok is a social media platform that makes money from other people creating content for others to consume. Individuals get money for either sponsoring a product or getting many views. How is this the same as someone paying for a clay pot in Ancient Egypt that we admire at today in a museum? The act of getting money is not devoid of the context of which it was acquired.

In one case, people are viewing something created specifically for people's entertainment. In the other case, it's detritus or grave goods we're viewing.

What a shockingly simplistic view of art you have. It pains me to know that the cultural artifacts of my people will be viewed by you in the same vein as a 30 second TikTok video.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by dizzystar » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #49

mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

It would be really interesting if TikTok allowed users to make a sequential thread of videos, and added a scroll control to view "next video in sequence". Currently "part 2" videos are very tedious to find, if they could make a way to continue a sequence from the fyp with a simple gesture or button, I think they could seriously challenge longer form videos as well.

They can make a comment that says "part 2" and respond to it. Add a pin and it'll be at the top.

Some creators do this, but not enough. Besides with 3 minute videos, this shouldn't be a problem anymore.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by kirse » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

mtrovo wrote: post #158

Are we seeing apex Facebook? I still have a lot of friends that use it daily but it's all for things that don't hold a company with a 1T market cap. Anecdotal data: - Facebook usage from my feed it's just older family members posting cheesy political posts and selling items on marketplace - Instagram became a selling channel for brands, be it with their accounts or with "partnerships" with meme/influencer pages. I se…

Are we seeing apex Facebook?

I've been thinking this for years now, but there's really nothing to replace it, it has a huge lock-in, and there's not been an underlying technical shift that enables product re-invention.

"Social networking" has obviously been around forever, IMO that core technical landscape shift we've seen for 70+ years that results in product evolution has been increasing network connection speed. Faster connections drive re-invention on just about every layer of the internet. In this case:

     300b ---> 14k+ -> 56k --> DSL/Cable > Mobile 3G -> ??

     Email --> BBS --> AOL --> MySpace --> Facebook --> ??

My guess is we'll see a true Facebook killer emerge once mmWave 5G hits widespread adoption. Of course FB will have their own products to compete, but talking to many Gen-Z they are not really interested in Facebook and typically use Snapchat/TikTok/etc. Facebook is losing the mindshare game, so we're waiting on the tech to seal the blow.

On the devil's advocate side, FB has made some shrewd acquisitions like IG/WhatsApp, and tech itself is increasingly headed towards a "cereal box" mindset where a few core companies make all the products you consume under separate labels. A new competitor would need the guts to avoid an early exit.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by spideymans » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 10:01 PM UTC

yepthatsreality wrote: post #242

A lot of talk about how amazing the app is amazing at drawing people in but the conjecture comes off more that these are users looking to being drawn in. Whatever trick the app pulls, these users want that attraction. Kind of comes off as willful gullibility to me.

Well... yea.

People go on TikTok seeking to be entertained. Is this different than any other entertainment platform?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by this_user » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 10:01 PM UTC

rjh29 wrote: post #199

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #93

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> Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing It's been interesting to watch the steady decline of Reddit and Twitter since they launched. They've always had a significant amount of doom-and-gloom clickbait headlines, but in the past it was far easier to filter out the bad and follow subreddits or Twitter people wit…

Reddit is still good, you're likely subscribing to popular subreddits. Don't subscribe to anything that appears in r/popular or r/all. Try subreddits that intentionally ban politics or have Part of what keeps Reddit free of such nastiness (in my experience at least) is the downvote button. Sure, it creates an echo chamber that ruins the popular subreddits, but on the smaller subreddits, it means that anything toxic,…

Reddit's more popular subs at least used to be usable. But over the last couple of years r/all has turned into reposts, outrage clickbait, misinformation, and propaganda exclusively. I started putting more and more sub on the ignore list, but eventually there was nothing worthwhile left. I've unsubscribed from an increasing number of mid-sized subs as even those have more and more turned into complete circlejerks. At this point, I'm down to a handful of smaller subs that I visit semi regularly.

Maybe it's just me and my tolerance for this kind of BS has declined over the years or maybe the site is steadily getting worse as it gets bigger.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by smoldesu » Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

ur-whale wrote: post #218

smoldesu wrote: post #189

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What shows can I watch on TikTok?

>What shows can I watch on TikTok? Many people don't watch shows on TV, they just channel hop to avoid ads and numb their brain after a day at work, consuming short stretches of content at a time. In that regard, TikTok is indeed very much like TV.

Maybe so, but other platforms (Instagram, Vine, Twitter, YouTube, etc.) pitch themselves as the exact same product.