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Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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When a company grows large enough, the APIs and user-generated tools that propelled its growth get treated like a threat. They tend to vertically integrate and keep anyone from using their data.

Not entirely dissimilar to what is happening to the Chinese market right now. Interesting observation.

What is this referring to, as someone with little exposure to the Chinese market?

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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There are ads on reddit? Does a significant percentage of reddit users not use ad blockers?

Yes, there are a lot of ads w/o adblockers. You can disable them by buying premium, but you'll have a hard time blocking them in the app. Also, adblock adaption is actually not that high compared to what tech circles suggest, more in the 5-20% range [0]. Lastly, Reddit is basically the origin of organic marketing. You can't block these ads ... [0] Not a perfect source, but Statista cites 700 million users: https://ww…

I use reddit with an ad blocker on the web and I use a 3rd party client on my phone. Where am I seeing ads if I only subscribe to the subs that I want?

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Reddit hosted videos have been such a joke lately. They are just ripped from YouTube and TikTok, almost always with out the creators permission.

Which makes this extra stupid, because they're acting its their first-party content, while it mostly isn't.

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Once upon a time Reddit was a link aggregator. You would post a link and the author would get credit. You could save the link without Reddit. But Reddit is moving towards first party content. Not only has the site added native photo and video upload support but many communities disallow external content. Requiring a reupload or a screenshot. This not only removes the link to the actual creator but is also a nightmare…

In the case of Reddit, first-party content is better in almost every way.

If I can scroll through content effortlessly, then it's easy. If I have to open each link in a new browser view/tab, ugh. Embedded images on Reddit load instantly, while loading an entire Imgur page takes forever.

Not to mention that linked content is often ephemeral, whereas first-party hosting ensures it always stays viewable together with the thread.

So across usability, performance, and link rot, first-party content is a win in every way.

And if you're interested in the content's source/attribution, it's often in the comments. Even when (often) the OP doesn't post it or doesn't even have it (because they got it elsewhere), someone else does.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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The persistence of a screenshot (or any image) depends entirely on the hosting platform, though. How many image hosts have gone down over the years, leaving niche forums with broken image links in the middle of otherwise very useful posts? Is there any guarantee that even reddit will keep around image posts uploaded to its own servers, forever?

Person-to-person means not hosted by anyone. Sending a png screenshot over sms or imessage or signal, etc. means the image is bytes on a personal device. How the other person manages their data is their own business.

Fair point, I could have sworn your comment didn't say person-to-person when I first replied. I'll give you that point.

Personally, I still prefer links as I find them easier to sort and categorize in my bookmark library, or indeed take screenshots of the linked content if I deem it worth of it.

As it is with images, I don't really bother to sort them so I have them scattered all over. In the folder where my SMS app saves images, in the folder where whatsapp saves images, in the case of discord I rarely explicitly download and save the images outside the app, etc. Opening a link I receive opens the link in one program, my default browser, from where I can manage the link as I see fit. All these different apps have their own built in image viewers, save locations, or layers between the message and the content/image, making it much more of a hassle to manage that image as compared to a plain link.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Once upon a time Reddit was a link aggregator. You would post a link and the author would get credit. You could save the link without Reddit. But Reddit is moving towards first party content. Not only has the site added native photo and video upload support but many communities disallow external content. Requiring a reupload or a screenshot. This not only removes the link to the actual creator but is also a nightmare…

> I wonder why sharing of links is so unpopular, especially outside of the tech-sphere

I see multiple reasons:

- Everyone knows how to take a screenshot, but very few people know what a URL is, why it matters and why you should use it to share content

- The URL is purposefully hidden by the app to make sure other platforms can't access the content. You must use the official app, with your account, to access content.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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A better example would be what happened with /r/ukpolitics and Aimee Challenor I think, it was a truly shameless display of how incompetent Reddit has become in recent years. The whole episode was an omnishambles, and a perfect microcosm of everything that's wrong with Reddit at the moment. It featured awful hiring practices, awful moderation practices, awful crisis management, awful PR management, and highlighted th…

> A better example would be what happened with /r/ukpolitics and Aimee Challenor I think, Would you mind expanding on this? I don't follow Reddit dramas any more. > It will happen one way or another though, one day they'll make a decision too user-hostile and Reddit will have its very own "Digg V4" moment. I highly doubt that. Reddit has far too much non-techie people, which tend to know less alternatives and don't p…

>Would you mind expanding on this? I don't follow Reddit dramas any more.

No worries! Aimee Challenor is a very minor political figure in the UK who's mostly known for the fact she hired her father to act as her election agent after he was charged with (and was later convicted of) truly horrendous crimes against a ten year old child. Later on she left politics entirely and began working for the Reddit Public Access Network, after which she was eventually hired as a site-wide administrator.

On /r/ukpolitics (a fairly large subreddit) a moderator posted an article from the Spectator that mentioned her indirectly, I believe simply naming her as a candidate at the time and not mentioning her background at all. This moderator was banned without warning from Reddit and it became known that Reddit had been systematically censoring any mention of Challenor whatsoever and worse, banning the commenter. It was claimed by Reddit this was through an automated system but it's been alleged that Challenor herself was carrying out the censorship personally*. /r/ukpolitics temporarily closed itself in protest of this behaviour as they (correctly, in my opinion) felt that it was absurd to ban legitimate discussion of a British political figure on a forum dedicated to British politics simply because they're also a Reddit administrator and at any rate they wanted to support their banned fellow moderator.

This started a chain reaction across the site in protest of Reddit's administrator team in which many subreddits with millions of subscribers set themselves to private in solidarity with /r/ukpolitics. I don't have any figures to hand but participation was very wide and I can't imagine it did that day's advertising revenue any favours at all! Eventually the administrators relented after intense criticism from almost all angles, fired Challenor and re-instated the banned /r/ukpolitics mod. The moderators of /r/ukpolitics handled the situation excellently in my opinion, their competence was in stark contrast to the incompetence of the administrators.

It's worth pointing out that it was the censorship on Reddit's part and Challenor's questionable conduct as a political figure that triggered such a strong reaction, not Challenor's political stances. From what I understand her political activism was mostly centred around environmentalism and LGBT rights, both very laudable causes in my opinion! I think the issue everyone had was that while harassment is never okay (and I don't think it's controversial that people often do suffer atrocious harassment on platforms like Reddit, especially transgender people) the reaction to it was extremely disproportionate and further complicated by the fact Challenor is a public figure - even if a very minor one. There were also apparently a lot of complaints around the issue of safeguarding minors on Reddit which followed on from their obviously inept hiring practices, although I don't know enough to comment further on that.

>More likely it will be a slow fade to unimportance, like MySpace or Facebook (the platform, not the company).

This could be a more likely outcome than what I suggested, although given how volatile politics on social media are these days I could definitely see Reddit tearing itself apart over moderation drama. Having said that this isn't always terminal, a good case study would be 4chan which has had several incidences over the years of parts of its userbase starting their own platforms with the same format.

*I'm still not sure about this, as a web developer I can't imagine Reddit with their enormous volume of traffic would seriously follow every outgoing link and scrape the page for mentions of Challenor. I think it could be done, but I don't think it could be done with good value for money! I'd appreciate someone with more experience than me weighing in on this.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Once upon a time Reddit was a link aggregator. You would post a link and the author would get credit. You could save the link without Reddit. But Reddit is moving towards first party content. Not only has the site added native photo and video upload support but many communities disallow external content. Requiring a reupload or a screenshot. This not only removes the link to the actual creator but is also a nightmare…

> I get people sending me things that I might like as a screenshot. Great, nice jacket, if only I could click that "buy" button.

People like the psychic pleasure of browsing and collecting and making recommendations and having taste. They like buying too, but that takes place on Amazon, where that daily gratification is only $10. It’s not important that you buy the jacket.

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> I wonder why sharing of links is so unpopular It’s because the most active parts of Reddit’s user base prefer it this way. Reddit has become about rapid-fire content consumption without leaving the site. Following a link and actually reading an article for 5-10 minutes isn’t as exciting as rapidly consuming a few videos, a few screenshots, and a few self posts along with the top comments for the most interesting on…

>>>It’s because the most active parts of Reddit’s user base prefer it this way. I would love to see any semblance of evidence that this is true. Reddit shoves a lot of things down your throat and forces users to do things without providing alternatives. It's super aggressive in making you use their app (the mobile site is purposely broken), aggressive about making you create an account, and doesn't allow alternatives…

There's another reply to GP that illustrates this. "I prefer first-party content so I can effortlessly scroll"; It's a real shame, people like that turned Reddit into a politically manipulated 9gag where they waste hours scrolling through mind-numbing content. Self-posts? No. Links? No. Just funny images, or videos with obnoxious music stolen from TikTok, with a side of ads please.

I dread the moment when they remove old.reddit.com, but I guess it'll finally make me leave because there's absolutely 0 chance I will be using the new interface.

Also, this whole SaveVideo issue is laughable, most of the content on Reddit is already stolen from other sources.

Re: An impersonator issued a fake Reddit take down notice against SaveVideo

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Once upon a time Reddit was a link aggregator. You would post a link and the author would get credit. You could save the link without Reddit. But Reddit is moving towards first party content. Not only has the site added native photo and video upload support but many communities disallow external content. Requiring a reupload or a screenshot. This not only removes the link to the actual creator but is also a nightmare…

In the case of Reddit, first-party content is better in almost every way. If I can scroll through content effortlessly, then it's easy. If I have to open each link in a new browser view/tab, ugh . Embedded images on Reddit load instantly, while loading an entire Imgur page takes forever. Not to mention that linked content is often ephemeral, whereas first-party hosting ensures it always stays viewable together with t…

The video player is a horrible buggy mess though.
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