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Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by recursive »

netr0ute wrote: post #238
recursive wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was recorded by a microphone in a space, then that won't work. Time and frequency inaccuracy in playback by speaker, sound reflections, and inaccuracies in recording by microphone all contribute to a signal. The original can be recognized, but simple subtraction will never remove it.

This is untrue, things like Fourier transforms can account for those variables.

I'd love to see a demonstration of this. (not of a FFT, but use of one to remove one signal from another)

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by sixothree »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #118
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #35

Very upsetting the mindset of a police officer (sergeant!) who will harass someone while listening to a pre trial hearing for an officer who murdered a man having a mental breakdown, and then upon being recorded will attempt to interfere with that recording. Police officers are given extraordinary powers by society and yet they can act like spoiled brats (or worse). Not cool!

Why aren't you upset about YouTube allowing automated removal of videos with zero reconciliation to fair use statutes? It's YouTube and Instagram that are broken. The right to record is preserved. The ability (not right) to distribute is hampered by these organizations.

Can't a person be upset about both? Why do you need to present a distraction here?

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by netr0ute »

recursive wrote: post #251
netr0ute wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is untrue, things like Fourier transforms can account for those variables.

I'd love to see a demonstration of this. (not of a FFT, but use of one to remove one signal from another)

They might have done this to extract instruments, and if you can extract one then maybe you can just subtract it from the main recording. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081030201607.h...

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by sixothree »

throwawaycities wrote: post #82

Maybe the officer will have a great YC application answer for the time he hacked a system. Lots of people here upset with the officer’s tactic, but he didn’t interfere with any right to record. If anyone is at fault it is YouTube for preemptively taking down videos containing copyright that fall within the Fair Use Doctrine…of course that is YouTube’s legal right also, they don’t have to host anything. If it were my…

He _did_ interfere with their ability to share the video.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by sixothree »

moron4hire wrote: post #74

I've been seeing videos on TikTok and such of cops using tape to cover up people's security cameras at their homes when approaching the front door. I don't care why the cop is there, that should be at least a firable offense on the first occurance .

There are no checks and balances.

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by IntrepidWorm »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #191

Interesting article for two reasons, how the practice originated and what it implies. The practice seems to be somewhat wide spread (in the distance between departments case). That might be because it came from a Facebook group or forum where Law Enforcement officers exchange tips. The second is the choice of artist (Swift) who has been in a pretty visible battle with ownership of her music. I suspect that if the off…

There is something very poetic to being brutalized with tear gas to the tune of "A Whole New World."

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by jollybean »

pseudalopex wrote: post #205
jollybean wrote: post #88

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He was playing it for himself, and those in his immediate surrounding, and there's almost no chance that's going to be considered some kind of violation. He's not making a public production or broadcasting either - the person doing the filming is doing that.

He said he didn't play it for himself. His immediate surrounding and those in it are exactly what would make it public performance.

That's not a public performance.

Otherwise using a radio would basically be illegal.

Playing music for people waiting in the lobby at the station, or restaurant patrons, DJ at a club or event -> public performance.

Playing music at your desk/office/car/workspace/radio for yourself and whoever you happen to be working with at the moment -> not a public performance.

If you want to make a more eccentric claim, you should try to find some examples of case law to support it.

So here is the relevant case law from the Supreme Court back to the 19th century [1]

None of it really comes close to establishing that someone playing a radio for themselves and those in front of them would be tantamount to public performance.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Supreme_...

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by jollybean »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #159
robbrown451 wrote: post #83

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He played it in the normal way you play music, where others can hear it. He isn't responsible for the fact that it is being filmed and shown more widely. That said, he should be fired for reasons that have nothing to do with copyright. It is an obnoxious attempt to avoid accountability.

> He isn't responsible for the fact that it is being filmed and shown more widely. IANAL, but I think this would be a tenuous claim. If I see you with a camera and do something while you are pointing the camera at me -- with the express stated intent of having you film me doing it, no less -- I don't think I would get to (credibly) claim "hey, not my responsibility, I just happened to be doing that thing and you happ…

Just the opposite.

The cop has no clue whether or not the person is actually filming or not, no clue what the person intends to do with the video or audio, and most importantly - has no involvement or control in either the recording, editing, licensing or distribution of the material.

There's no way in high heaven that someone's going to be construed to be in violation of the 'distribution' artifact of copyright law if they have no participation or really even awareness of the distribution itself.

This thread is full of absurd arguments.

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Post by otterley »

scotuswroteus wrote: post #239
otterley wrote: post #16

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It would be hilarious (and also poetic justice) if Taylor Swift (or whomever the copyright holder is) sued the Alameda County Sheriff's department for copyright violation and demanded maximum statutory penalties. EDIT: Bummer, it looks like this route is not available to the copyright holder, since states have sovereign immunity against copyright infringement claims. See _Allen v. Cooper_, 589 U.S. ____ (2020).

Then how is Disney suing school boards for showing the Lion King?

They're not. Their licensing agency sent them a bill; they didn't file a lawsuit. Also, it was a PTA, not a school board.

Also, they're not trying to collect anymore:

Disney C.E.O. Apologizes to P.T.A. Asked to Pay After ‘Lion King’ Screening - link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/us/lion-king-berkeley-mov...

Re: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

dragonwriter wrote: post #93
BitwiseFool wrote: post #4

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>"I'm glad some precincts burned down last summer. I'm glad a bunch of cops quit, and the ones remaining are all on edge, maybe negative reinforcement works on them too xD" Be careful what you wish for..... Edit: You may hate the cops, but do you really think that mobs will be more accountable than the police?

> You may hate the cops, but do you really think that mobs will be more accountable than the police? To the currently politically powerful who disproportionately control what is done by government, no. To people on the other side of that power imbalance? Well, who do you think the mobs are , and why do they use that mechanism instead of the formal political system to attempt to impose accountability? Obviously, not a…

But those who are powerless can also suffer at the hands of the mob. In fact, they're more likely to do so than the powerful are.
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