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Google turned me into a serial killer

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Post by BeefWellington »

cwkoss wrote: post #185

You should seriously consider suing for defamation if this isn't fixed within a few days. This is an egregious error, especially if it was done by an automated system (and this could be a systemic issue affecting many others). I think you have a decent chance of getting a five figure+ settlement from this. Talk to a lawyer about your options. EDIT: When I search "Hristo Georgiev" (from US IP) there is no longer an im…

I wonder if Wikipedia would have a cause of action here too; they're similarly shown to be falsely accusing a person via the inclusion of a photo which is not in their article.

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Post by tgbugs »

murphyslab wrote: post #241

I recently encountered the same underlying problem with Google's knowledge graph. I do a lot of scientific image analysis using an ancient (but reliable!) piece of software called ImageJ [0]. There's a more recent distro of the same called FIJI [1]. So when I tried looking for how to extract EXIF data for GPS coordinates using ImageJ (not even mentioning FIJI), Google returned an info box about the Fiji-the-nation an…

Glorious. False positives on the synonym match gone wild. This is the kind of thing that deep learning was supposed to solve. The fact that it is failing from specific (imagej) to general (fiji) is beyond the wildest dreams of anyone doing quality assurance. I'm guessing the neural nets have been slacking by trying to do pure substitution matches and the devs have been rewarding them at the worst possible time. Wow. This is like seeing a toddler who is screaming in public and the parents are actively giving them candy to try and get them to stop. Wow.

In case anyone doubts that this is real I'm seeing it too https://i.imgur.com/PXepl6C.png

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Post by sidlls »

cratermoon wrote: post #220
sidlls wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it’s a bit much. The “extreme” reading is slowly becoming the only acceptable one. Partly because of comments like the one precipitating the thread: there’s no good reason to try to connect these items.

I never said they were racist. What does it mean that someone would assume I meant that?

It probably doesn’t mean what you think or are trying to imply.

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Post by shmoogy »

breakingcups wrote: post #164
Arnavion wrote: post #57

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A few days ago, a person in an IRC channel I'm in was convinced AMD GPUs have CUDA cores, because they put "amd 5500rx cuda cores" into Google, saw the infobox entry that said "How many CUDA cores does a Rx 5700 have? 2,560 CUDA cores" and stubbornly refused to accept Google could be wrong. Amusingly that same infobox then has a table that states "2,560 stream processors" in the "Radeon RX 5700 XT" column. So one hal…

It's so strange, that infobox has never given me an accurate answer or an accurate question ! What I mean by that is, it will find some snippet that sort of looks like it answers the question, but it's nearly always misleading. It's either lacking context, creating a question that doesn't make sense or just plain wrong. I avoid the thing like the plague and look for real answers in the actual search results (which ar…

Oh no this is worrisome, I hadn't thought to take the box data as a "maybe correct"... given that I am often googling something I am unsure about.

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Post by joe_the_user »

cntrmmbrpsswrd wrote: post #209
_etyf wrote: post #132

Google's Knowledge Graph info boxes are automatically-generated and littered with errors. I've been burned twice on operating hours, once for my local bank and once for a convenience store, driving over each time only to find the place closed. In both cases, the correct hours were posted on the business's website. I've also seen bad KG results for medical conditions, listing the wrong symptoms or describing easily-tr…

This is not true. While the content may initially be auto-generated, the Google KG is worked on extensively by real people. There are regional teams which work to verify and source the information that is out there. My sister works on the traditional Chinese team (mostly out of Taiwan or Taiwanese ABCs). These teams, as far as I know, are WFH contract workers.

I believe you but anyone got links? This is interesting information.

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Post by ar_lan »

jhbadger wrote: post #225
temp8964 wrote: post #214

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We are lucky because Google is not running a DNA service. Otherwise, who knows whether they will link to him to a serial killer.

Although weirdly enough 23 & Me's CEO Anne Wojcicki is Sergey Brin's ex-wife.

And she is the sister of Youtube's CEO. :)

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Post by ar_lan »

cwkoss wrote: post #185

You should seriously consider suing for defamation if this isn't fixed within a few days. This is an egregious error, especially if it was done by an automated system (and this could be a systemic issue affecting many others). I think you have a decent chance of getting a five figure+ settlement from this. Talk to a lawyer about your options. EDIT: When I search "Hristo Georgiev" (from US IP) there is no longer an im…

The truth of this is he'd probably be blocklisted from FAANG and most of the rest of the industry. This is sort of a lose-lose situation.

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Post by encryptluks2 »

aikah wrote: post #30
encryptluks2 wrote: post #6

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Damages require proof. Unless they can show they lost something because of the mistake, then there are no damages.

> Damages require proof. Unless they can show they lost something because of the mistake, then there are no damages. You're basing your understanding of slander/libel on US laws I presume? If that person lives in Europe, generally, the bar for a successful lawsuit is __extremly low__ , it only requires the information to be blatantly false, there is no need to demonstrate the victim incurred any damages.

Wouldn't that be injuctive relief though instead of damages? Damages would be some kind of loss, which at this point there appears to be none as the author has stated.

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Post by rcoveson »

sophacles wrote: post #243
rcoveson wrote: post #213

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> ...he can basically be considered white for purposes of discussing his privilege. This is a distraction, and a confusing one. Calling that out is not an "attempt to quash any discussion". Let's discuss race when race is relevant, and the other 90% of the time let's discuss economic privilege.

I started my carreer with no debt for education. My family isn't rich but they aren't poor - just somewhere in the middle - above median income but not in the top tax bracket. They were able to provide help and I worked a bit to make up the difference. It's a pretty good leg-up for me, and I'm glad for it - it has made my adulthood much better than if I had to pay for loans and such. This can directly be traced to th…

I think we've really lost track of context here.

The thread began when it was pointed out that it wasn't just any corporation to which we handed so much power over us, it was a corporation dominated by white men.

The reason I believe this is unhelpful, confusing, and irrelevant, is that I believe that Google is actually one of the least racist powerful institutions on Earth, throughout both time and space. Don't get me wrong, I hate Google as much as any other ad-powered information harvesting giant, but they're a company that literally won't shut up about Black voices and women in tech. Which, more power to them for that! I think it's basically cynical from an executive's perspective, but cynical people can do good, so whatever.

But anyway, the point is I don't think race is relevant at all in the conversation about how Google has too much power. They use that power for evil quite often, but when they use it for good, the good is often trying to solve racism. Is it really helpful to point out how white they are?

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