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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

wongarsu wrote: post #235
symlinkk wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Why am I paying a company more money to fix a problem they caused? I think I’ll just get a Mac.

A second-hand Windows 10 Pro license costs like $25 (and used to be $5). That's a pretty small price for a substantially better experience.

This is false. A pirated Windows 10 Pro license costs like $25. These are not legitimate licenses, they're overprovisioned enterprise keys being sold in violation of the license agreement. And yes, they register differently in Windows, and can be easily detected. (Command is slmgr /dli)

Like, if you want to pirate software, go pirate software. If you're going to pay someone on a per-install basis for pirated keys, I'm gonna laugh at how easily you're being taken advantage of.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by beerandt »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #58
MarcScott wrote: post #17

Developers can use their own payment systems, and MS take nothing. That's a bit of a kick in the teeth to Apple.

Except for, twist, if you are an Android developer. Amazon takes it's 20% cut no doubt, and to avoid the cut you need to make a native Windows app. Which actually isn't an awful incentive structure, but it's not 0% in the Store across the board. Also it doesn't count if you make Xbox games. Microsoft still takes a cut there. So it's 0% if it's a native Windows app and it isn't an Xbox Game. So let's just say Epic Gam…

I'd be surprised if they somehow limited side-loading apks on a PC.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by wongarsu »

aikah wrote: post #203
satysin wrote: post #94

So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

> * Support for Android apps built into the OS (using Intel Bridge technology whatever that is?) Interesting, why would they do that? I mean it's nice ;) but, is this the new MS mobile strategy? Android?

Seamless interaction between phone and Windows is their mobile strategy. Windows 10 already did a lot in this direction, with the ability to link a phone, or to cast the phone screen onto a dedicated window. Allowing apps to run in Windows is a logical next step.

The other part of their mobile strategy are tablets or tablet-substitutes. Basically their whole Surface lineup, which Windows 11 aims to improve.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by williamstein »

wongarsu wrote: post #253
aikah wrote: post #203

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> * Support for Android apps built into the OS (using Intel Bridge technology whatever that is?) Interesting, why would they do that? I mean it's nice ;) but, is this the new MS mobile strategy? Android?

Seamless interaction between phone and Windows is their mobile strategy. Windows 10 already did a lot in this direction, with the ability to link a phone, or to cast the phone screen onto a dedicated window. Allowing apps to run in Windows is a logical next step. The other part of their mobile strategy are tablets or tablet-substitutes. Basically their whole Surface lineup, which Windows 11 aims to improve.

Except for one small detail, they appear not to support the latest Surface Go 2 tablet! According to the PC Health Check tool, my maxed out Microsoft Surface Go 2 that I bought new a few months ago (with 8GB RAM, 64-bit Intel core m3 processor) is NOT supported to upgrade to Windows 11. Wow. Their system requirements tool also doesn't say why my tablet doesn't meet the requirements, just that it doesn't.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by jl6 »

MikusR wrote: post #148
jimbob45 wrote: post #87

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Does that mean it's finally becoming a native app? By far the worst part of MS Teams is that it's slow and can't really help when it can't connect to its servers because it's just a web page.

It's moving from electron to webview2

Do you have any information about what problems this is expected to solve?

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by FalconSensei »

mk89 wrote: post #198
symlinkk wrote: post #192

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No. Why am I paying a company more money to fix a problem they caused? I think I’ll just get a Mac.

What a lame excuse to buy yourself a Mac. Totally recommended :)

Totally recommend it too. There are a few things that I don't like on Mac, but overall, works really well. And you can have a local account

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by cjaybo »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #206
lp0_on_fire wrote: post #182

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Let's hope not, thank you. It's one thing to force an update that just makes background improvements. It's another thing entirely to force a UI update that breaks your workflow. Most of us just got the people we support used to the new design now they're going to up and change it completely again. My Grandmother has basically given up using the computer because she doesn't have the mental energy to relearn a UI every…

Software developers around the world don't have to build software compatible with your old car, and get blamed for any incompatibility. There have already been posts showing that there's an option to put the start menu back on the left if you want that. Hopefully there will be options to deal with other inconveniences. As it stands, this already looks like it fixes many of the complaints people had about Windows 10;…

As an audio application developer who still supports users on OSX 10.6.8, I have to ask, what is this about "Windows was the last OS to move to the evergreen model"? Do the breaking changes in MacOS version updates somehow not count anymore?

If developers don't want to support multiple versions of an OS, there are plenty of domains where that isn't an issue. The desktop seems like a weird place to complain about this issue, though, since this is a challenge inherent in the fact that users have choices and freedoms.

Completely disagree with your attitude here.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by Exmoor »

sorenjan wrote: post #247
satysin wrote: post #94

So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

> A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? This is confirmed on the Windows 11 specification site: > Alignment to the bottom of the screen is the only location allowed. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica...

Yuck. That'll keep me on 10 for the time being. With widescreen monitors it's so nice to be able to use as much of your vertical real-estate as possible.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #186
DoctorDabadedoo wrote: post #86

I wish MS stopped doing redesign of their interfaces every couple of years and just fixed the broken stuff the introduced somewhere along the way. - Settings / control panel inconsistency and the other dozen places you can change configs for a single thing - Telemetry, ads and system crap - Package management and sandboxing And the list goes on.

Most of those are actually features. 1. Old control panels: Drivers may overlay or modify the window, so you can't really change them (don't forget: Windows supports many obscure devices like DAWs and heavy machinery, many things Linux users have never even considered connecting to a PC, and all of those have custom drivers from the device manufacturer that Microsoft doesn't control) 2. Telemetry, ads: Yes, this is a…

> 3. Package management: NuGet?

WinGet is their answer to this one:

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/windows-package-m...

It's not proper package management, but it's a start.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by MajorBee »

yellowfish wrote: post #197
MajorBee wrote: post #156

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Neither iOS nor MacOS are dominant in their respective categories. You can argue that the right metric to look at is market share by revenue and not by devices sold, and iOS does increase its footprint significantly at 42% of global smartphone revenue [1] (cementing itself as the single largest player), but still, arguably, not monopoly levels. I couldn't find a similar figure for the Desktop OS market, only (what I…

It's just teams replacing skype and easy enough to disable, the issue with IE was strong arming I doubt Microsoft is going to strong arm slack at any other level.. same goes for Onedrive/iCloud

Relevant snippet from the Wiki article on the Microsoft antitrust lawsuit:

"The plaintiffs alleged that Microsoft had abused monopoly power on Intel-based personal computers in its handling of operating system and web browser integration. The issue central to the case was whether Microsoft was allowed to bundle its flagship Internet Explorer (IE) web browser software with its Windows operating system. Bundling them is alleged to have been responsible for Microsoft's victory in the browser wars as every Windows user had a copy of IE. It was further alleged that this restricted the market for competing web browsers (such as Netscape Navigator or Opera), since it typically took a while to download or purchase such software at a store. Underlying these disputes were questions over whether Microsoft had manipulated its application programming interfaces to favor IE over third-party web browsers, Microsoft's conduct in forming restrictive licensing agreements with original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), and Microsoft's intent in its course of conduct."

To draw parallels between that lawsuit and this discussion:

1. I guess the download effort of Slack isn't really a concern anymore. And while I have no idea of the feature parity between the free versions of Teams and Slack, the free versions of both apps should probably be sufficient for casual users (i.e. the inertia of entering payment information is not a concern).

2. I have no idea if Microsoft has added any secret sauce to Windows 11 that would make Teams run better on Windows owing to tighter in-house integration. But if this is true, and Slack (or other competitors) won't be able to use this to boost their own performances as much, I suspect this could be a big deal.

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