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Police have been quitting in droves in the last year

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Re: Police have been quitting in droves in the last year

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

KSteffensen wrote: post #184
pacbard wrote: post #99

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I wonder if the stress comes from how a police officer dies on the job rather than the absolute death rate of the profession. Lumber harvesting is the most dangerous profession in the US but I imagine that most deaths would be described as "accidents". For example, someone cuts a leg with a chainsaw, a tree snaps in a weird way, someone gets pushed off a cliff. Police officers, on the other hand, usually due to viole…

> there is little that they can do to address how others will interact with them Don't police generally get training in conflict de-escalation?

Indeed they do.

The training documents that I’ve seen publicly available on the internet explicitly incorporate de-escalation techniques as the first and preferred option.

Re: Police have been quitting in droves in the last year

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ceejayoz wrote: post #239
MikeUt wrote: post #232

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Perhaps they should have chosen a slogan where the dictionary definition differs from the opinion of "a very very small niche".

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/defun... "to stop providing money or as much money to pay for something"

It's easy to make someone look reasonable if you ignore their unreasonable statements.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/aboli...

"to put an end to something, such as an organization, rule, or custom"

Re: Police have been quitting in droves in the last year

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

Hamuko wrote: post #123
busterarm wrote: post #54

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Police are in the top 5 in suicide rates. As are construction workers.

I don't really know what that represents other than stress. Your average veterinarian is as likely to kill herself as your average police officer is to kill himself.

Citation?

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Post by TheCondor »

ceejayoz wrote: post #5

> Finally, officers said they were asked to handle too much; they were constantly thrown at tangled societal problems like mental health breakdowns or drug overdoses, they said, for which they were ill-equipped — then blamed when things went wrong. Sounds like they've got some common ground with the "defund the police" folks, if they'd listen a bit.

So we give them budget, they sort of determine how most of it is spent. At least that is how it is in most places. If they are ill-equipped, isn't that sort of on them? Where did the training go?

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Post by Hamuko »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #253
Hamuko wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really know what that represents other than stress. Your average veterinarian is as likely to kill herself as your average police officer is to kill himself.

Citation?

http://www.zeroattempts.org/suicide-professions.html

There's also a TED talk about suicide among veterinarians: https://youtu.be/objP3E625Xo

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Post by camel_Snake »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #44

Am I the only one who thinks that police officers should be paid more, not less? These should be highly specialized and trained jobs that are hard to get and easy to lose if you're bad at them / criminal -- seems like the reality right now is that they're easy to get and hard to lose.

Are you aware how much LEO actually make, once you factor in overtime pay and the clever way they rig their pension amounts? It's probably higher than you'd think.

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

jjcon wrote: post #228
bildung wrote: post #174

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Your source is only for the year 1995, and even there it was the second most common cause. It was the most common cause on average over the last ten years (traffic fatalities are split, you have to add them together): https://nleomf.org/facts-figures/causes-of-law-enforcement-d...

Even on your source they aren’t the majority

Did you sum the numbers for all types of moving vehicle sources of hazard?

If you do the math, it does appear to exceed the number of incidences of being shot on the job.

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Post by bena »

RankingMember wrote: post #230
bena wrote: post #180

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Those slogans describe things the group would want. Your objections are rooted in a bias you aren't willing to admit.

You and I both have innate biases that any objections we have would be inevitably colored by, so that's not really a material statement. What I'm saying is that when you say something like: > They want to keep everything they have and have other people handle all of that stuff they don't want to ...you're criticizing a composited caricature that only exists in such a monolithic form in your head.

Fine. Find me one police station that will willingly cut its own budget and surrender the unnecessary military gear it has acquired. The police are fine with not doing those things as long as it doesn't come at their expense.

You are trying to find ways to criticize my statement without acknowledging that your criticism would apply to the other poster. It's not flying.

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Post by ceejayoz »

MikeUt wrote: post #252
ceejayoz wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/defun... "to stop providing money or as much money to pay for something"

It's easy to make someone look reasonable if you ignore their unreasonable statements. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/aboli... "to put an end to something, such as an organization, rule, or custom"

I'm not sure we're discussing the same thing.

Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib are police abolitionists. They're also quite unusual in Congress in this position.

"Defund the police" and "abolish the police" aren't the same thing. That's the point.

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