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Post by marmaduke »

abecedarius wrote: post #189
marmaduke wrote: post #80

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It’s a scifi low drone noise though, just enough to notice, it’s not annoying at all.

When you're hard of hearing like me, traffic noise makes conversation impossible just about everywhere inside a city. Electric vehicles might have fixed this, if the solution were not being banned. That is intensely annoying. (If not outside, you can try chatting inside. But public meeting places inside are almost all noisy too: if not crowded enough to be noisy, most will add music or TV to compensate.)

Have you heard the EV noise though? In France there are a lot of Renault Zoe around, and the noise is much softer, narrower band (which might help not mask vocal frequency band) than a gas engine. To be honest, I’m grateful, otherwise I’d cross in front of one as a pedestrian or cyclist. I’d even like to see the front of city buses with some noise since, with the engine in the back, you just hear them whoosh past when they barely miss you.

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Post by bserge »

Rexxar wrote: post #111
bserge wrote: post #14

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What's the problem with getting it approved?

Absolutely no problem but lots of people like to trash talk on EU for no reason at every occasion they have.

I want to convert my bike to electric, so I've been looking into the legal stuff. Doesn't seem like there's any obstacles so far. And there's plenty of electric cars around, I'm thinking a motorcycle would be the same, but I'm not 100% sure.

Also thinking of starting a local business on this, surprisingly no one else is doing it, so there's got to be a catch somewhere.

E-bikes sell for 2400+ Euros, how is that even possible. A good one could be built for ~1000-1500 at most, which still leaves enough room for a lower price and a profit from the (little tbf) research I've done.

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by VBprogrammer »

bayindirh wrote: post #244
VBprogrammer wrote: post #229

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You seem to be projecting. My motorbike always had a street legal exhaust on it and it wasn't particularly loud. Perhaps you should spend less time worrying about a little bit of noise, especially during daylight hours, presumably on mostly sunny days.

Can you be underestimating how sound propagates in silent environments, and our brains are so efficient at filtering background noise? Since the pandemic started, traffic around my home decreased tremendously and, even smallest traffic became bothering. In sparsely populated areas, that oddball sound is much more disturbing to residents which are used to silence. BTW, getting angry to people who we don't know persona…

I'm intrigued about which part of that response you thought was angry?

The front elevation of my house is less than 15ft away from a reasonably busy road. I'm no stranger to the perils of noise pollution. In fact, around one week a year, last week in fact, the M25 (the London ring road) is diverted overnight along our road. This means we have heavy trucks passing our home all night long. We also live under the departure route for Heathrow (though that's been relatively quiet this year!).

I think people should live and let live though. Otherwise we end up in a situation where people are constantly trying to ban other people's hobbies. Off-road driving, motorcycles, horse riding, light aircraft, playing the drums, road cycling, caravaning, beer gardens, smoking weed, barbequing, DIY, fixing up old cars etc. They all have something someone else could find objectional if they lack joy enough in their own life to want to cause misery in someone else's.

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by turbinerneiter »

bagacrap wrote: post #92
turbinerneiter wrote: post #19

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Worst thing is that they are ruining it for everyone. Loud pipes, racing on the streets - causes more and more noise laws and motorcycle bans, making it harder for everyone. Also looking forward to ride electric. Currently, the range sadly doesn't enable what I want to do with my bike - ride it out of town, to the mountains, where there is no infrastructure. But hopefully soon. For inner city commuting, electric bike…

where have there been motorcycle bans?

In German there is discussions about it, in Austria they banned all bikes that go above 95db in certain regions.

Re: Yamaha MOTOROiD

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Post by Animats »

It's neat to have all those powered degrees of freedom, but what problem does it solve?

The BPG transforming bike [1] was a more promising direction. It could transform from a self-balancing Segway form for indoor and sidewalk use to a motorcycle form for roads. It looks like something from Transformers or the RideBack anime, but they got a prototype on the road. Now that had real potential. BPG never got that to to work well enough, and pivoted to another product, an off-road thing that runs on dual caterpillar tracks. Yamaha could probably make the BPG concept work. That would be a boon to delivery drivers everywhere.

The proposed animal-like haptic interface is interesting. But what do you do with it on a two-wheeler? On a horse trained for it, you can do quite a few useful moves - turn on the forehand, turn on the hindquarters, full pass (sideways), half pass (moving partly sideways while facing forward). I've owned several horses, all of whom could do those things. One was an ex-police horse who had all that manuverability and more, and could work in tight spaces when necessary.

Now, that's just listening to the rider. Cutting cows out of a herd (which I don't do) has the horse doing much of the driving. Watch [2]. The rider is in control in the early stages, getting the desired cow partially separated from the herd. But watch the part where the cow is trying to get past the horse. The horse is clearly in charge then.

That cooperative giving control back and forth is common in riding. It takes quite a bit of training and practice for both horse and rider. Miscommunication can result in injuries. It's possible to build all that into a vehicle; the control system for the F-15 fighter-bomber is notable for doing quite a bit by itself, with the pilot indicating what they want to happen and the control system figuring out how to do it, using the aircraft's many control surfaces. That takes a lot of pilot training to use properly.

Maybe if both wheels of the bike were steerable, it could do more. The new electric Hummer has four-wheel steering and can crab at low speeds.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odI4WaYEcCU

[2] https://youtu.be/nCRzUjn4I7I

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Post by art0rz »

johng wrote: post #237
83457 wrote: post #139

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I always assumed that the point of loud vehicles was to assert dominance by being an asshole. If people are annoyed and upset then it is working exactly as intended. You have provoked an emotion that fuels your ego and image of yourself as a bad ass that doesn't care about other people.

I’ve always said that an exhaust should only be as loud as the vehicle or motorcycle is fast. I put exhausts on my vehicles and motorcycles that free the flow of air which makes the engine (an air pump) perform better. I never put one on a slow vehicle just to make it louder. Consider this the same as overclocking a cpu. You are burning up more electricity than you “need” to, all for your own personal greed or need f…

Except my PC doesn't wake up the neighborhood.

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Post by reader_mode »

sicromoft wrote: post #239
reader_mode wrote: post #164

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I don't have aftermarket pipes - but your post is clearly from perspective of someone who doesn't ride. Sound is an essential part of the riding thrill, riding my bike past 10k RPM gives me F1 sound and insane rush. I suspect riding an electric motorcycle would be much less thrilling that way and make me more aware that I'm on a suicide machine. I regularly get small children approach me on motorcycle and want to pul…

"Being an asshole is an essential part of the riding thrill." Fixed that for you.

There are plenty of places where it's "safe" (in the not endangering others sense) to ride at high speed and loud

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Post by C19is20 »

CraigJPerry wrote: post #5

I can’t wait for electric motorbikes to be more diverse and advanced. I used to be a “my loud exhaust helps me to be seen” kinda guy. Until one day, sat in standstill traffic in my car on the M74 motorway just outside Glasgow, a rider on a BMW S1000XR, with the same loud exhaust as on mine, filtered past the window and I didn’t hear him until he was level with my rear passenger door. Exhausts sound great, i love the…

As a car motorbiker and cyclist...silent objects coming up on me are scary. Very scary. Thankfully the last few tesle that came 'close' were so much more loud than I was expecting, I was pleasantly surprised. Silence may be golden, but also may be not.

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Post by rorykoehler »

bayindirh wrote: post #47
hamoid wrote: post #40

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To me the sound of those big bikes is a form of terrorism. They rise my blood pressure, increase stress levels and make me hate. Try living somewhere where every 20 minutes such bikes make the windows of your flat shake and you can't hear your TV or your partner talking until the bike is gone. Why do I have to suffer this every day of my life? I can't wait until the ICE is part of our primitive past.

I understand that performance engines need unobstructed exhausts up to a certain point, but pipes tuned to amplify this sound is distracting at best, damaging your ears at worst. I don't like them. They become hazardous in tunnels, underpasses and other closed spaces. Ultra loud pipes kill my ears' locating capabilities and I can't mentally place the motorcycle to the correct place so I won't unintentionally endanger…

Performance engines belong on the race track
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