Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub • Hacker News Board

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by lacksconfidence » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #233

lacksconfidence wrote: post #171

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It was the part where people decided to ignore what was actually being presented, and instead derailed every possible conversation about google into their predetermined track. Not you specifically, but this entire fuschia thread. What is someone to think when every time their work is presented publicly the comments are all completed unrelated to what was presented? You too would conclude that group is unlikely to pre…

Perhaps it would useful for Google and googlers to "read the room" - as it were - and consider why a lot of people have such strong reactions to Google's conduct and methods, why a lot of people are distrustful of anything that comes out of Google (and FAANG in general), and why the reactions are so strong from privacy advocates and the open source/free software crowd in particular, in context of where and how Google…

I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. Should the developers that work on specific input methods for fuscia be "reading the room" and instead spend their time switching to work on ad tech, where they can influence it? Google has 10's of thousands of engineers, wedging ad tech discussions into the output of every last one of them seems completely and utterly unrelated to the article.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by wlesieutre » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

mikepurvis wrote: post #243

wlesieutre wrote: post #221

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I know it’s a joke but if the failure mode is “brakes don’t work” on an escalator full of people, it is much worse than stairs

Very true— I would definitely imagine that escalator brakes are a thing that fail closed in the absence of power, but clearly there are failure modes (probably a rare confluence of multiple concurrent failures) where this kind of thing can happen, such as that incident in Rome in 2018: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1SjQfwLieU

Another in China in 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADb57ysvCbU

https://coconuts.co/hongkong/news/engineer-gets-2-months-in-... (misleading URL, actually suspended sentence)

Rather that than an falling elevator, but it still doesn't look fun

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by rvz » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:42 PM UTC

vinkelhake wrote: post #240

rvz wrote: post #57

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> Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from free Web... Since Chrome came along, the 'Web' became less free from the start and the moment Google forked WebKit (called Blink) to use it in their own browser, it has turned the web more into a walle…

There's so much here that I don't really know where to start. Maybe some history could be useful? When Chrome came along, the dominant browser was Internet Explorer 7. It had been out for two years when Chrome 1.0 was released. Before IE7, the world ran IE6 for five years. Web development was largely stagnant. That was the world that Chrome came into. Before DRM support was added to browsers, you needed to install pl…

And so, the web has just switched hands from one behemoth to another. Nothing has changed since then. Now everyone depends on Chromium for almost everything. That is the point.

The alternatives have no chance in doing anything about it. Firefox is entirely dependent on Google for funding (and has been for years), Microsoft recently switched to Chromium for Edge and Safari is again years behind (Just like IE.). There are only really two competitors here. (Apple and Google once again!)

So let's sit back and just watch Google continuously adding more superfluous features into the Web like Web(USB, Bluetooth, NFC, etc) and the web-devs will force you to use Chrome again (which indirectly helps Electron apps); leaving the rest of the non-Chromium browsers in the dust.

> Saying that Fuchsia is highly dependent on Flutter is like saying Linux is highly dependent on GTK.

False equivalence.

You're the one that just compared a kernel with full operating system. Oh dear. I'm definitely sure that the device in the article is running Flutter right now.

> With that said, maybe your crystal ball on the future of Fuchsia isn't so clear.

Given that Fuchsia also has the intention of running unmodified Android apps as well, my crystal ball could not be any more clearer of its future. Perhaps you getting confused on your last sentence was an indication that your crystal ball has just malfunctioned.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by josefresco » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:43 PM UTC

I can't say I've ever thought about the OS on my Nest Hub. It's a digital picture frame, and it plays YouTubeTV/Music while I'm in the kitchen. It occasionally answers a question - what will this new OS change?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by QuercusMax » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

bikezen wrote: post #242

rkeene2 wrote: post #196

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I've never understood the desire to control systems by speaking to them in code words. Speaking monopolizes a shared channel, requires diverting your conversation, and is really slow. For practically anything that involves using code words to tell the computer what to do there are better input methods, like physical switches, or purely automated. This is slightly off-topic, but in your opinion what are some of the re…

Cooking. My hands might be occupied or dirty etc, but I need to set or change a timer.

Or washing dishes; pretty much anything in the kitchen.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by zentiggr » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:54 PM UTC

Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

Unfortunately, every new project coming from Google now has a couple of decades of baggage, directly caused by the unexpected / manipulative cancellation of projects.

While I am not Google-free at the moment, especially email, I have long ago learned to avoid trusting any Google product to stay stable, or even available.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface of the decades of "everything we do is tuned to collect as much data as we can steal without getting caught, and using it to our benefit in any way we can hide from you, our users."

Cynicism is pretty much the norm now, and is going to color everything Google does forever.

I'm sure there are forums and github sites with actual technical details, but that's only a fraction of what gets traded here. YMMV.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by dqpb » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

There’s no clear line here - it’s systems all the way down.

When a new component is added to the critical path, its vital to ask “What happens if my account gets flagged? How much of my life can Google shut down with a single bit flip?”

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by JackGreyhat » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

DebtDeflation wrote: post #96

piokoch wrote: post #2

10 years ago I would be really excited, as I could expect some groundbreaking tech like search engine or revolutionary approach to something, like Gmail (no ads sent to users, great UI, hige disk space). Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from…

I'm so done with this smart home stuff. "Alexa, turn on Living Room." "I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding now." I mean, yeah, I can toggle the light switch to get it to turn on, but then it gets screwed up and I need to go into the app to reset it when the internet comes back on. I don't even want to think about a smart thermostat. My dumb thermostat from 10 years ago let's me set timers which is all I reall…

I have openhab in place for issues like this. Enjoy the smart home with a local connect-to-everything controller/bridge. Runs on a Pi, as a VM, ... Works great!

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by zentiggr » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:12 PM UTC

SquareWheel wrote: post #236

cute_boi wrote: post #227

Its just a attack on linux. Just like what they did to firefox. Made a superior browser and make it opensource and gain monopoly. Now they have control over os. They can do anything.

Wake me up when they do that "anything". In the mean time they've created useful and successful open-source products which anyone can benefit from.

And yanked them out from underneath the adopters whenever it wasn't fun anymore.

I don't trust in anything Google anymore except that internal politics and profit motive will override anything beneficial eventually. Look at Chrome if you're not sure what I mean.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by SSLy » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

dragonelite wrote: post #60

vbsteven wrote: post #45

What is interesting about Fuchsia is how Google first created Flutter and made it popular for Android/iOS and to a lesser extent the web. And now they start releasing Fuchsia OS/devices and developing apps/software for it will immediately feel familiar to many mobile developers. This could help adoption instead of yet another GUI framework to learn from scratch.

Huawei is doing the same kind of approach, make android apps compatible with their Harmony system. I think everybody has learned from Microsoft and Samsung's experience trying to launch a new ecosystem without support for current application android ecosystems.

FWIW Harmony OS is just an AOSP skin.