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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by GongOfFour » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

For sure these responses, which are predictable and common on pretty much any thread related to American trucks here or on sites like Jalopnik, don't reflect actual, real general sentiments about trucks or SUVs. It happens all the time and I've learned just to ignore them.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by chrisseaton » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

bobince wrote: post #105

CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

> an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile

Most people with a truck are just trying to get their job done. They aren’t trying to look or feel anything.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by TheBigSalad » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

luxuryballs wrote: post #110

To me electric cars are still far overpriced if you account for the astronomical number of routes and places you could never even think about going. Also have they solved the electric gas can problem? Maybe they can equip them with a small removable battery so you can go get a “5 gallon” charge and then go fetch your vehicle if the battery dies, otherwise a simple hike to a gas station becomes a tow job!

But otoh, you have a gas station at your house.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mywittyname » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

namdnay wrote: post #4

I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.

F150s are amazing vehicles. It seats six with an extended cab, haul tons & tons of crap in the bed, gets roughly the same fuel economy as a minivan, it can tow pretty much anything and It will also hold its value insanely well.

Compared with, say, a Honda Odyssey, the F150 is a better family vehicle in many cases. The only reason I can think of to go with the Odyssey (which is another vehicle I love) is vehicle footprint and long-term reliability.

There's a reason the F150 sells so many units in the USA: it's the ultimate vehicle, and it comes with almost no drawbacks.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by loudmax » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

I agree with your issues 1 and 2. Batteries do not yet match the energy density of petrol. There are plenty of cases where the shorter range isn't a problem, but buyers need to know have a clear understanding up front.

I don't think issues 3 and 4 really need to have much to do with electric vehicles. Autopilot and electric are orthogonal properties. The only connection is that they're both pioneered by Tesla. Otherwise there's no particular reason you should expect one with the other. The same goes for over the air software updates.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by whymauri » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:27 PM UTC

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

>It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people.

I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up. A woman went up to my group in a parking lot and said something like "Hell yeah, you guys look like you're having fun."

And I thought, yeah -- I fucking love this. Kinda subverted my perspective on the aesthetics of these trucks and the people who drive them. Led to some self-awareness about how silly the city stereotypes are of such people.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by underbluewaters » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:28 PM UTC

This is what this transition should be all about. It's not just a more environmentally responsible truck, it's better truck in nearly every way. Contractors are going to love the secure storage and built-in power for use on the job site or a farm. It has more torque and will be better at towing. They could have charged a lot more for these but instead it will be cheaper than the existing fossil fuel versions if you consider the tax rebates.

Ford knows their market and are going to absolutely destroy the competition with this.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by cycrutchfield » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:28 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #243

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.

The vast majority of suburban pickup truck owners haven’t ever either.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by snypher » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:29 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #243

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.

At $20/hour for a new F-250 rental, Home Depot has better options available. If people wanted to haul lumber, they probably wouldn't show up with a trailer attached, they would buy a truck with a 8 foot box.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus » Fri, May 21, 2021, 3:29 PM UTC

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

> stereotyping of truck owners

It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.