How does the saying go? First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. After that, they fight you. Finally, you win. When a significant portion of established powers start claiming that new threat to power is (insert hyperbolic word here), I’d say we are on step 3 of the above process. Bitcoin has a lot of issues, but cryptocurrency/blockchain in general are real, useful technologies. Don’t let the prevalence of scam…
> but cryptocurrency/blockchain in general are real, useful technologies. Whats the last time you bought anything (besides other coins) with cryptocurrency?
Berkshire: Bitcoin is ‘contrary to the interest of civilization.’
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#252"And I don’t welcome a currency that’s so useful to kidnappers and extortionists and so forth" You mean like cash? I'm sorry, I'm sure Warren is a nice guy but that picture reminds me of the Dukes in the movie Trading Places [1] with Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_Places
Ransomers don’t choose cash first, they choose Bitcoin, because they know it is safe.
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#253Lol. So the relatively few mega-wealthy — who hoarded practically all the USD in the world — are angry that the relatively-poor have come up with a new system of value within which they are now relatively-rich? Well maybe the wealthy class should have left some for the rest of the people. Maybe the wealthy shouldn’t have fleeced every market they cornered as aggressively. Maybe they should not have constantly avoided…
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#254If you think of all investments as a bet, what are you betting on when you buy crypto? In my opinion, you're betting that crypto will be useful as an exchange of value, which means the people exchanging it are either: A) criminals or B) living in a failed state. Personally, if crypto becomes so widely used that it justifies its market caps, that means a lot of states have failed, and I don't want to live in (or bet o…
In my somewhat limited circle, most people that I know are buying it as its price is rising. They are betting they can sell it for more than they paid. Only a few actually use it as a currency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory
Those are both theoretical, of course. Most trading activity of those assets will be from speculation (assuming they'll find a "greater fool") and not a fundamental belief in the currency or in the dividend.
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#255If you think of all investments as a bet, what are you betting on when you buy crypto? In my opinion, you're betting that crypto will be useful as an exchange of value, which means the people exchanging it are either: A) criminals or B) living in a failed state. Personally, if crypto becomes so widely used that it justifies its market caps, that means a lot of states have failed, and I don't want to live in (or bet o…
I'm betting that finally there is an asset that works as store of value that doesn't deflate and which is easy to use. Let's be honest, BTC could be the best one. Owning gold (or other rare metal) is an assle. Need a safe place to store it and transport it is so risky. Or I need to trust someone else or an institution to hold it if I don't want to hold it myself. Real estate takes a lot of time and research to chose…
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
> To see why people buy it, understand their fear of what might happen to them if they don’t. Yes, I totally understand it. My opposition to crypto speculation is as follows: 1) Investments can be a self-fulfilling prophecy if extremely powerful/wealthy people are involved. If you bet on an outcome and also have the power to create it, can we really trust you not to do that? See also: Peter Thiel buying property in N…
> 2) This one is just personal to me -- if crypto becomes an important alternative to USD fiat, the world has likely collapsed and I'll probably either be dead or ready to die. This is pretty fatalistic. Life goes on, even through war and grief. Just because you don't like the contemplations doesn't make them unrealistic or un-navigable. Major power transitions are historically accompanied by world war, in such a war…
We've never seen an all-out war in the nuclear era.
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#257If you think of all investments as a bet, what are you betting on when you buy crypto? In my opinion, you're betting that crypto will be useful as an exchange of value, which means the people exchanging it are either: A) criminals or B) living in a failed state. Personally, if crypto becomes so widely used that it justifies its market caps, that means a lot of states have failed, and I don't want to live in (or bet o…
First up, there is no worldwide currency. It would be nice in an internet world, to have a worldwide currency. Next, decentralization is awesome. You can always claim that any improvement is the proof of a failed earlier system. If the success of crypto means the system has failed, maybe you should blame the problem and not the solution.
Crypto is not a currency, especially if it's deflationary. It's an asset.
Crypto is also not even close to useful worldwide, and it's hard to imagine why it would be come useful worldwide. USD works pretty well as a global currency at the moment. It has cheaper exchange fees than crypto.
> Next, decentralization is awesome.
Until a 51% attack takes all your money away, or your wallet gets hacked...
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
First up, there is no worldwide currency. It would be nice in an internet world, to have a worldwide currency. Next, decentralization is awesome. You can always claim that any improvement is the proof of a failed earlier system. If the success of crypto means the system has failed, maybe you should blame the problem and not the solution.
> First up, there is no worldwide currency. It would be nice in an internet world, to have a worldwide currency. Crypto is not a currency, especially if it's deflationary. It's an asset. Crypto is also not even close to useful worldwide, and it's hard to imagine why it would be come useful worldwide. USD works pretty well as a global currency at the moment. It has cheaper exchange fees than crypto. > Next, decentrali…
Your US government policies don't apply to the rest of the world. Wikipedia defines it as currency. It's also in the name: cryptocurrency.
> USD works pretty well as a global currency
Lol
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#260The context of the quote: > I don’t welcome a currency that’s so useful to kidnappers and extortionists and so forth... So, I think I should say modestly that the whole damn development is disgusting and contrary to the interest of civilization. I find it strange to criticize an asset for how it gets used in extremis. I feel like the same criticism could be levied against the dollar.