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Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by refurb » Sun, May 09, 2021, 6:03 AM UTC

periheli0n wrote: post #134

refurb wrote: post #127

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Why did you volunteer you time for these for-profit entities? Couldn’t you refuse?

Reviews are being done for peers and the (mostly unpaid) editors, not for the publisher. It's academic service for the scientific community. Although it's the publisher who ultimately creates profit from the work. However, would reviewers be paid, then the publisher would certainly charge the authors for this. No gain.

Then refuse to do it. People complain about the journals, then do free work for a for-profit.

Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by periheli0n » Sun, May 09, 2021, 6:17 AM UTC

Dah00n wrote: post #234

periheli0n wrote: post #138

I don't really get this whole frenzy about copyrighted papers. Why not just ask the authors for a copy? Most will happily share.

Because the authors are not allowed to share. If they do they are in breach of contract.

Authors can always privately share their paper.

Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by periheli0n » Sun, May 09, 2021, 6:20 AM UTC

refurb wrote: post #251

periheli0n wrote: post #134

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Reviews are being done for peers and the (mostly unpaid) editors, not for the publisher. It's academic service for the scientific community. Although it's the publisher who ultimately creates profit from the work. However, would reviewers be paid, then the publisher would certainly charge the authors for this. No gain.

Then refuse to do it. People complain about the journals, then do free work for a for-profit.

Refuse the service to the community that one is embedded in?

I see how one can justify reviewing for certain publishers, e.g. because they publish predatory journals or their shady business practices, but refusing to review any papers would be pretty much freeloading on the scientific community. Sure that's not an option.

Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by periheli0n » Sun, May 09, 2021, 6:24 AM UTC

cblconfederate wrote: post #242

periheli0n wrote: post #166

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Publishing is not the problem since we have the internet. The problem is the botched science career system, how performance of academics/researchers is evaluated, how anybody beneath the tenured academic is exploited. Publishing is just a decoy from this much larger problem.

By publishing i meant editing, which is the only bit missing. How hard is it for major research associations to create publicly funded editorial boards to coordinate the (already free) authorship and reviewing

They are doing this, and they then team up with for-profit publishers to create a journal. Except for the "publicly funded" bit. I am not aware of public funds that would be available for editorial boards created by science organisations.

Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by periheli0n » Sun, May 09, 2021, 6:52 AM UTC

seniorivn wrote: post #239

periheli0n wrote: post #164

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Not that Snowden leads an open and tremendously free live in Russia. At least that's not what it sounded like in his autobiography.

surprisingly his life is a lot more free and open, than you would imagine, so much that russian politically involved people suspect he has some kind of a deal with KGB(FSB, etc) that he can't talk about.

He wrote that he‘s changing apartments every few months and that he’s always wrapping his face in a scarf as much as possible when going outside. Didn’t sound like a tremendously free and relaxed life. Plus he’s in exile.

Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by refurb » Sun, May 09, 2021, 9:37 AM UTC

periheli0n wrote: post #253

refurb wrote: post #251

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Then refuse to do it. People complain about the journals, then do free work for a for-profit.

Refuse the service to the community that one is embedded in? I see how one can justify reviewing for certain publishers, e.g. because they publish predatory journals or their shady business practices, but refusing to review any papers would be pretty much freeloading on the scientific community. Sure that's not an option.

No, I mean refuse to review for any journal that isn’t open source?

You said not reviewing for predatory journals, so apply that to journals that Elsevier owns?

Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by boruto » Sun, May 09, 2021, 9:51 AM UTC

concordDance wrote: post #54

hirundo wrote: post #28

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> and prohibiting search engines and domain name registries from "facilitating access" to Sci-Hub. I just searched for "sci-hub" on DDG, Google and Bing, and the sci-hub.st or sci-hub.se domain was the top result on each. I wonder what happened to the prohibition.

Here in the UK the main sci-hub domains are blocked at the ISP level. We're a very censorous country.

Same with Vodafone in Germany.

Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by guerrilla » Sun, May 09, 2021, 10:28 AM UTC

periheli0n wrote: post #255

seniorivn wrote: post #239

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surprisingly his life is a lot more free and open, than you would imagine, so much that russian politically involved people suspect he has some kind of a deal with KGB(FSB, etc) that he can't talk about.

He wrote that he‘s changing apartments every few months and that he’s always wrapping his face in a scarf as much as possible when going outside. Didn’t sound like a tremendously free and relaxed life. Plus he’s in exile.

Is that different than many celebrities?

Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by Dah00n » Sun, May 09, 2021, 10:59 AM UTC

periheli0n wrote: post #252

Dah00n wrote: post #234

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Because the authors are not allowed to share. If they do they are in breach of contract.

Authors can always privately share their paper.

It is not allowed by many (most?) contracts to share papers so while they can it is still breaking a contract they signed.

Re: FBI subpoenaed Apple for data of Sci-Hub founder

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Post by supuun » Sun, May 09, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

turtletontine wrote: post #229

boramalper wrote: post #146

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I'd love to help spread knowledge, but frankly I'm not knowledgeable enough about the risks of seeding to be comfortable with it.

if you are in a developing nation, which most of users likely are, then seeding or downloading illegal torrents won't be any problem. But I don't know about others.