Can you get those episodes elsewhere?
Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…
I heard second hand that the folks working at Spotify were incredibly unhappy about this Joe Rogan deal, and one of the reasons for that was because leadership steamrolled over any concerns they had. And there were many. I don't really know who this guy is or why you'd spend 100 million on him to secure a deal. But he's walking away with that money and Spotify is left with the infighting. They fucked themselves over…
Why do their concerns matter? I thought private businesses were free to choose to host or not host any content they want, without any regard to anything or anyone? If employees don't like it, they can quit. Presumably, Spotify put some executive in charge of doing the Rogan deal, the board approved it, and that should be that. Donna from Accounting doesn't get a say. If you’re stocking the shelves at the grocery store management doesn’t care that you think they should only sell Wheaties and not Frosted Flakes. It’s not your decision to make.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#253type in the N word to Spotify — prepared to be shocked. on IG (soundcloud) I noticed some wildly racist old song. music is exempt from social justice but open discussion and bad jokes are not.
Spotify employees seem to have no issue with songs about killing police, assaulting women, bashing gays etc. Just listen to a mainstream rapper like Eminem and there is plenty to get offended about, if they cared too. A tame lyric for example: “But I may fight for gay rights, especially if that dyke is more of a knockout than Janay Rice/Play nice? Bitch I’ll punch Lana Del Rey right in the face twice, like Ray Rice i…
I think plenty of people have tried to cancel Eminem already. Mainly nobody tries to do it lately because he's gone soft and nobody likes his new music. It's still technical but feels like a dad trying to hang out with the cool kids.
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So you believe that a podcast episode that is listened to once by a user is more likely to have an influence and be "problematic" than a song that is listened to daily and memorized?
What songs have caused a problem? I've been hearing how music is dangerous my whole life, Eminem, Marilyn Manson even Britney spears yet society hasn't fallen. People are unable to think critically about misleading arguments put out by manipulative internet talkers
It's pretty dangerous for the performer if you look at how many rappers die young.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…
I'm curious where the line is for you. Is there any legal content where it is permissible that Spotify doesn't want to host it?
I think it's pretty clear that Spotify wants to host it, seeing as they paid $100 million for the right to do so. It seems some employees, whom Spotify did not entrust with the decision to host this content or not, are mad about it and are attempting a hostile takeover of their company to run it according to their own politics instead of how the owners and managers have decided to do.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…
always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.
The problem with notion this is that 'woke' or 'activist' values are actually pretty reflective of mainstream values in 21st century society. I would worry more about the legal exposure of people who express opposition to diversity/equity/inclusiveness, as these are very likely to be the people who would end up behaving inappropriately and getting the company mired in harassment and discrimination suits.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.
Smart companies have already been filtering them out. See Coinbase, who literally paid them to leave.
Does this tend to improve the company's financial performance, or is this simply worth doing if you have certain political goals for your company that outweigh financial results? i.e., is this "smart companies" as in those with good financial ideas or "smart companies" as in those who want to build a non-woke world for the next generation?
It seems like most SJW-converged companies have been doing just fine as companies, otherwise the invisible hand of the market would have put a stop to this long ago.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…
Politics are going to exist in the workplace no matter what because workplaces are made of humans. Advocacy and activism are a bad thing?
When they are stupid, yes.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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> Here's a crazy idea, if you don't want your episodes deleted don't sell rights to your intellectual property for 100 million bucks to another party It is especially weird considering this was basically a foregone conclusion the moment Rogan signed with Spotify. Take a look at the HN comments when the news broke[1]. Spotify has a policy that says they won't host certain content. Rogan and his guests have a history o…
> Spotify has a policy that says they won't host certain content. Rogan and his guests have a history of saying things that don't fit that content policy. Citation needed This is Spotify's content policy: https://support.spotifyforpodcasters.com/hc/en-us/articles/3... Assuming we're not talking about infringing or illegal content, we're left to conclude that Rogan "promotes, advocates, or incites hatred or violence a…
I don't listen to Rogan. I can't speak to the specifics of what he says on his podcast. I know that he has had on multiple recurring guests that have been deplatformed elsewhere such as Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulos. Rogan also can't seem to go more than a few months without receiving accusations of transphobia[1]. You are also welcome to click through the link in my previous comment and see the issue discussed in depth including my thoughts on it. "Promotes hate" is an impossible to define phrase, but many people feel he is guilty of it.
Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes
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One of the major political parties in the United States denies that it lost the last election, sent goons to storm the seat of government, and is actively trying to deny people the ability to vote. But the real problem is "woke people" bumming you out by being all self-righteous.
Is it "woke" to accuse a massive group of people for the actions of a very small minority? Because if you are our example, then it would appear so.
> a very small minority
In this case 'woke' is just another term for having a firm grip on reality.
* "More Than Half Of Republicans Believe Voter Fraud Claims"[1]
* "As of March 24, legislators have introduced 361 bills with restrictive provisions in 47 states."[2]
[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/04/05/more-th...
[2] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/stat...