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Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by rjzzleep » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:26 AM UTC

hurril wrote: post #223

zucker42 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, that's like googling "laptops supported by MacOS" and expecting to find a list of Hackintosh compatible hardware. Dell and Lenovo both sell laptops pre-installed with Linux, and there are also boutique shops like System76 and TUXEDO. And I DDGed "Linux Laptops" and got all these suggestions. Of course, Linux doesn't quite have the mass market consumer experience you get with MacOS or Windows, but it's not exac…

No it is absolutely not. That googling will find a list of hardware supported by Hackintosh and it will find Apple. Two very good responses. Laptops supported by Linux provides neither.

I'm all for bashing Desktop Linux but this statement is just ridiculous. Searching for exactly that search term gives me the following result:

>Best Linux Laptops

>

> Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon (8th Generation) Last year,

>Lenovo shocked the Linux community by announcing Linux

>laptops. ...

> Tuxedo Pulse 14 Gen 1. ...

> System76 Serval WS. ...

> Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition 2020. ...

> Purism Librem 14. ...

> System76 Galago Pro. ...

> Lenovo ThinkPad P53 Mobile Workstation. ...

> DELL Inspiron 15 3000.

>

>More items...

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Laptops+s...

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by one2three4 » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:27 AM UTC

karateka wrote: post #180

jeswin wrote: post #142

If you're complaining about Linux drivers please do so after using a Laptop that supports Linux (Thinkpads for example). Just like it wouldn't be fair to complain about macOS on a Hackintosh - sound didn't work well and had to patch the DSDT. > but there are rough edges for the power user. > I am an extreme power user, ... > In the end, I was able to replicate most of my macOS power tools setup via input hooks and sh…

> Finder is unbelievably bad compared to Nautilus Whats so bad about finder?

UI. Add a shortcut to a folder. Go there. Now try to go to parent folder...

Open a folder with images. How on earth do you switch to visible thumbnails?

And more like that.

These things should be intuitive and easy to do.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by LIV2 » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:27 AM UTC

galkk wrote: post #176

jeswin wrote: post #142

If you're complaining about Linux drivers please do so after using a Laptop that supports Linux (Thinkpads for example). Just like it wouldn't be fair to complain about macOS on a Hackintosh - sound didn't work well and had to patch the DSDT. > but there are rough edges for the power user. > I am an extreme power user, ... > In the end, I was able to replicate most of my macOS power tools setup via input hooks and sh…

I own Thinkpad X1 extreme, that I bought with my own money, and chose as working laptop Thinkpad Carbon. Both are not working well with linux. 1. Carbon, due to it's intel chip, can not drive 4K and 2K external monitors via thunderbolt adapter. 2. I need to authorize dock (Lenovo's thunderbolt dock) after every reboot. 3. The screen tearing sucks. 4. I need to have pulse audio volume control window opened all the tim…

> 1. Carbon, due to it's intel chip, can not drive 4K and 2K external monitors via thunderbolt adapter.

Is this a Linux only issue? I saw people reporting on Reddit that they are using 4k @ 60hz external monitors. Was thinking of getting an X1C but not if it can't do 4k

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by jonseager » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:30 AM UTC

I think this all has to do with your intended use case. I’ve been a full time Linux desktop user for ~10 years now, and I completely agree that the PIM/email/calendar apps need a lot of work to compete with the standard macOS apps.

Interesting many macOS users default to Gnome-based distros for the familiar paradigm, but I’ve had a lot of success recommending Plasma to such users. It’s not as pretty, but it is very stable and has a lot of the same default/built in functionality in the K* apps that Mac users usually expect. Doesn’t stop me periodically getting dragged back to Gnome, mind you...

I’ve used it on a bunch of different hardware and rarely had issues with screen tearing or ‘needing to tweak’ to make things work. And I truly cannot find a better alternative for most dev workflows.

It’s swings and roundabouts. I settle for using the web Gmail/Calendar experience in exchange for the other benefits it brings to my work

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by ur-whale » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:30 AM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #35

>apt-get was a revolution when it was released in 1998 and it is still the best way to manage software today. brew is a mediocre replacement. While apt still isn't the best package manager (my heart belongs to pacman, no matter what the haters say), I completely agree that brew is a failed imitation. I wanted to use MacOS for the longest time, because I've been told that it's a real "Unix system". Brew has distilled…

> because I've been told that it's a real "Unix system".

OSX certainly isn't a "real Unix system".

OSX a huge hodgepodge of proprietary crap with a Unix component buried somewhere in the middle of the dung heap to get FOSS proponent to believe that Apple believes in openness.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by nmlt » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:30 AM UTC

karateka wrote: post #180

jeswin wrote: post #142

If you're complaining about Linux drivers please do so after using a Laptop that supports Linux (Thinkpads for example). Just like it wouldn't be fair to complain about macOS on a Hackintosh - sound didn't work well and had to patch the DSDT. > but there are rough edges for the power user. > I am an extreme power user, ... > In the end, I was able to replicate most of my macOS power tools setup via input hooks and sh…

> Finder is unbelievably bad compared to Nautilus Whats so bad about finder?

Yeah, I am wondering about that too. Finder can rename multiple files and has a goto folder option. Edit: I couldn't find a goto option in Nautilus. I don't know how I missed batch rename in Nautilus... Still, if Nautilus has any advanced features, they're well hidden.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by pascalo » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:31 AM UTC

zmmmmm wrote: post #25

I would like to see someone do the equivalent experiment now with a Win10+WSL2 setup. I'm carefully watching Apple to see what the next line of Macbook Pros looks like. Esp. how well the M1 architecture fits into a development workflow that will still for the forseeable future center heavily on deployment to x86 architecture. We already are seeing significant time wastage from employees having to fight architecture i…

I'm a Linux user on my own hardware and was just put onto win10 at my current gig.

WSL has made this workable, really. Not the nightmare I expected. But the rest of windows still sucks.

As for apple stuff, I used to use Macs for a decade, starting with a colour iMac right down to MBP 2013 ... The platform felt like it got and more in the way. I hated the app store. Firwire transfer from old to new machine also didn't work properly between two OSX versions. Set up took long. Everything was a forced login. The straw that broke the camel's back was shitty support when I came home after closing the brand new laptop to find a cracked glass screen when I opened it up again.

Been using Dell's xps series and Nuc barebones since then, and moving some crucial things like keyPass files onto Google drive. I can spin up a new Dev ready setup in about 15-30mins. Everything works out of the box. Bliss.

Dell btw gave me great support every time I had a hardware issue.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by rjzzleep » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:32 AM UTC

phendrenad2 wrote: post #160

jeswin wrote: post #142

If you're complaining about Linux drivers please do so after using a Laptop that supports Linux (Thinkpads for example). Just like it wouldn't be fair to complain about macOS on a Hackintosh - sound didn't work well and had to patch the DSDT. > but there are rough edges for the power user. > I am an extreme power user, ... > In the end, I was able to replicate most of my macOS power tools setup via input hooks and sh…

I never understood how someone can make a good-faith effort to document their Linux experiences and for people to label it "complaining".

He specifically targeted the "complain about linux drivers" part in his comment didn't he? He didn't dismantle the entire post, just comment on a specific part he disagreed with. I don't fully agree with it, especially since things such suspend, the fingerprint scanner and the LTE modem were still a mystery to be solved with the x1c6/7.

But if anything, your attitude that's effectively shutting down any criticism is the problem.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:32 AM UTC

one2three4 wrote: post #250

galkk wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I own Thinkpad X1 extreme, that I bought with my own money, and chose as working laptop Thinkpad Carbon. Both are not working well with linux. 1. Carbon, due to it's intel chip, can not drive 4K and 2K external monitors via thunderbolt adapter. 2. I need to authorize dock (Lenovo's thunderbolt dock) after every reboot. 3. The screen tearing sucks. 4. I need to have pulse audio volume control window opened all the tim…

Curious. If you had to buy tomorrow, what would you do? Given that M1 Pro won't be out till end of 21(?) and despite that, current Pros don't seem to come with a reduced price.

I have a 13” M1 pro, it’s easily the best computer I’ve owned (and I have a Ryzen 3600/Vega 10 desktop with 128GB of RAM that runs KDE Plasma very well, but there’s still no competition)

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by inDigiNeous » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 8:32 AM UTC

strategia wrote: post #63

smoldesu wrote: post #35

>apt-get was a revolution when it was released in 1998 and it is still the best way to manage software today. brew is a mediocre replacement. While apt still isn't the best package manager (my heart belongs to pacman, no matter what the haters say), I completely agree that brew is a failed imitation. I wanted to use MacOS for the longest time, because I've been told that it's a real "Unix system". Brew has distilled…

You may like MacPorts. It is descended from BSD-style package managers.

Used to use MacPorts for many, many years. But grew tired of it breaking important packages or just failing to update when doing macOS major version updates.

Also, MacPorts can many times just fail to install a package or fail to update a series of dependencies. Good luck then getting your operation important packages running ..

Anyway, switched to Brew completely a while ago when updating to Big Sur, so have no idea if Brew will also do the same thing over time, but at least their system seems more simple, which might result in less breakage.