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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

kashkhan wrote: post #26
endisneigh wrote: post #2

How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

or this is the cumulative effect of systematic discrimination for decades and centuries.

I'm not denying it's true, but I have little patience for this argument because we can't actually do anything about it. Injustice today? Yes, we should absolutely stop that where ever we find it, but what am I supposed to do today about the fact that women could not vote in 1920? Words are cheap, actions matter. I'd much rather focus on current discrimination than dig up injustices from the past.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by PunchTornado »

endisneigh wrote: post #2

How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

Or, another question, why don't we, as a society, help boys perform as well as girls.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by einpoklum »

mpweiher wrote: post #216
tompazourek wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Girls the same age are more mature than boys. They develop differently. Maybe that's a factor?

Maybe, maybe not. However: if it were the other way around, would that ever be an acceptable answer nowadays?

> would that ever be an acceptable answer nowadays?

Changes in public sensibility regarding sex and gender are not a good basis to reject GP' claim.

Of course, "girls develop earlier then boys" itself may have other, underlying, causes.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

endisneigh wrote: post #222
imtringued wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it sounds like female teachers make rules that are easy for female students to follow. Meanwhile some boys simply don't like the rules and thus don't follow them.

Yes I've seen this comment many, many times. Where's the proof? Women crush men in college (see link below) yet most professors are men. People are just spouting unsupported nonsense. Heck my link understates the difference as it is old. https://theop.princeton.edu/reports/wp/ANNALS_Conger,Long_Ma...

There is at least the "women are wonderful" effect covering both why female as well as male teachers may favor girls over boys, including subjective grading methods. That seems enough of a point to counter this being "unsupported nonsense".

Additionally, pointing out most professors are men does not counter the argument. Merely the transition of going from a highly cooperation- and rule-following-favored environment to an extremely competitive environment should give some indication as to how multifaceted this problem can truly be.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by kzrdude »

tompazourek wrote: post #161
throwaway53086 wrote: post #31

Anyone with young boys and girls will notice that girls are much more likely to obey rules and instructions. A lot of doing well in school is about following rules and instructions, and it seems pretty natural that girls will do better. Also, most teachers are women. I haven't checked, but I'd assume most school administrators are women. It seems natural that they'd construct a system that's more suited for females t…

Girls the same age are more mature than boys. They develop differently. Maybe that's a factor?

What do we mean by mature though? It's a kind of bias to prefer one over the other, when it's simply different.

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Post by agumonkey »

thepete2 wrote: post #53

What's probably missing from the article is the giant caveat of almost all educational research, which is: *as measured by grades*

There was an article/study saying girl grades were shifted due to teacher appreciating their answers as better. I'm not sure how solid the study is (I still fail to understand how grades can shift for a whole group of pupill) but yeah grades can be fickle.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Either you can ignore the data that suggests there are differences between girls and boys, or it might be worth considering some problem solving.

E.g. at any point do we think about optimizing some learning environments for boys? When college graduation rates in the US are 70/30 girl/boy, is that okay? I know it feels weird asking the question since those ratios were flipped a few years ago, and we fixed it...

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by tester756 »

cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #250
FactCore wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find your sentiment interesting, but we can't ignore a fact in favor of not hurting people's feelings. Of course, more research is always being done, so I'm sure in a few years a new research paper will come out and we will hear a different facts about a certain gender's academic performance. Then next big paper comes out and the cycle repeats. That's just my two cents anyways.

Have you been living in a cave for the past 10 years?

What makes you think that he's been living in cave?

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Post by tester756 »

FactCore wrote: post #233
viach wrote: post #155

Isn't this considered incorrect nowadays - to publicly generalize a superiority of a group of humans with dimension by race or gender?

I find your sentiment interesting, but we can't ignore a fact in favor of not hurting people's feelings. Of course, more research is always being done, so I'm sure in a few years a new research paper will come out and we will hear a different facts about a certain gender's academic performance. Then next big paper comes out and the cycle repeats. That's just my two cents anyways.

>different facts

or fabricated papers heh

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