So now I want to know
1. what is the eigenface for each of the two clusters? What does the perfect liberal look like?
2. What is the political orientation of https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/
Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
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Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
#252I think the key line is how much better this system is than humans attempting the same task: > Political orientation was correctly classified in 72% of liberal–conservative face pairs, remarkably better than chance (50%), human accuracy (55%), or one afforded by a 100-item personality questionnaire (66%). This isn't a matter of "recognize that old white people are conservative", because people will do that already, a…
What makes you think your hiring manager isn't already doing that based on their interaction with you and your looks? Even simply subconsciously?
The point is this system would perform better than them. Maybe we will need to learn how to lie to robots?
Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
#253I wonder how much data about a person can you squeeze out of a high-definition video, analyzing not only face, but grimaces, tone of voice, rhythm of speech etc.
That should give you a lot more hints than a still image.
The worst possible uses: filtering out undesirable people applying for jobs or for college, firing people who are suspect of belonging to a different political tribe.
Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
Truth doesn't really care about your sensibilities. It seems there is actually an art to finding the mind's construction in the face! What this is really telling us is that we should not be judging others on their political, sexual, ideological, whatever-ical affiliations. A person is a person and we should value them for that and only that. These other qualities may be more or less useful in some sense, but not in t…
Do you think people hundreds of years ago with different common political views - some of which we'd find abhorrent now - had different faces too? Someone should test this classifier on old images. Maybe it's just identifying fashion, not facial structure.
A lot has changed, including nutrition. I would not be surprised if 17th century skeletons and body builds were observably different from the contemporary ones. In fact, at least height and weight of an average person is fairly different compared to the past.
Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
#255There's an avalanche of people commenting on this who didn't bother to check the article before raising their methodological objections, so let's get these out of the way here. - Yes, they controlled for objects appearing in the pictures that might indicate political affiliation. The images are tightly cropped around the face. See Methods. - Yes, this is significantly better than both a coin flip and a human classifi…
> - Yes, this is significantly better than both a coin flip and a human classifier. They gave the same test to humans, who did much worse than the model. See Abstract, Introduction, and Results. Where do they say that they gave the same test for to humans? All I find is the reference [15] that points to https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232255935_Accuracy_... that cite a previous article about a different set…
And some humans may be very good classifiers, or would be if trained.
Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
Were the humans experts or just random people though? The real question is whether the tool can beat a lookup table of age, race, and gender probabilities. The tool isn't going to be winning points of phrenology here. Weight, hair color, and hairstyle would also likely tell you a lot. I don't have any particular reason to believe this tool wouldn't work, but let's not pretend it's getting their by phrenology-esque to…
It further notes: > Accuracy remained high (69%) even when controlling for age, gender, and ethnicity.
Did it? If you control for gender but not sex, you can use the difference to predict ideology. And for ethnicity, there are subethnicities that matter too - white Italian and white German have different proclivities.
Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
you think its a joke?
What on earth makes you think calling anyone anything is off limits? I'll call a spade, a spade. Any day of the week, week of the month, or month of the year. Not being willing to do so is a disservice to everyone around you, and even to the person in question, who may be caught in the Nietzchean transformation into the very monster they putatively fight; something even the people of Israel may be served well to reme…
I call a spade, Love. Everything arises out of Love, even your so-called "evil". Love is the first movement. You could unfasten societies overall moral compass and you're not going to do diddly-sqat to the Unconditional Love that permeates all that is. But don't believe me, I'm just a Dark Wizard with nothing to lose, I have embraced the Heart of Darkness only to find the Light, I know-see everything as Love, transcending time and matter and mind itself, the subjects we speak of are absolutely arbitrarily absurd, as is Love itself--have you ever impregnated yourself and burst forth like a sea-monkey giving birth? Remember Love.
Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
#258There's an avalanche of people commenting on this who didn't bother to check the article before raising their methodological objections, so let's get these out of the way here. - Yes, they controlled for objects appearing in the pictures that might indicate political affiliation. The images are tightly cropped around the face. See Methods. - Yes, this is significantly better than both a coin flip and a human classifi…
There's evidence of inheritability of political orientation, since it is tied to personality traits. Given that, it makes sense that it is possible to predict political orientation through looks alone. After all, looks are also inherited traits. The article gets into this a little bit. They are able to predict traits like intelligence and honesty by looks alone.
Personality is only weakly tied to political view according to the above comment... so... ?
Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes you think your hiring manager isn't already doing that based on their interaction with you and your looks? Even simply subconsciously?
The point is this system would perform better than them. Maybe we will need to learn how to lie to robots?
On the other hand their mental coin flip is going to be documented nowhere, whereas the use of ML in their decision could be traceable and they could get sued for it.
Re: Facial recognition can predict person’s political orientation with 72% accuracy
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
Inbreeding?
I'm not sure where GP is going with this, but for example the Habsburger lower lip [1] is a easily identifiable feature from inbreeding in Western European nobles. If you can identify it it gives you a good clue about the socioeconomic class of the person, which gives you a good clue about their political orientation. I'm sure many more subtle examples also exist. 1: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburger_Unterlipp…
Is it common to find regular people with this feature in normal life? Other than nobles.