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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by sgustard »

lovelyviking wrote: post #155
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're just USB-C dongles that snap into the chassis.. You can see better shots here: https://frame.work This is an unpopular opinion, but I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. This solution is sort of clever but it sacrifices a ton of internal space that could have been spent on a bigger battery. USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. (the Nespresso analogy is ridiculous, a la…

>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

> All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires

It's a reasonable tradeoff. Imagine your laptop with the power supply built in instead of as an external brick.

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Post by NikolaNovak »

ppezaris wrote: post #195
XorNot wrote: post #90

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Apple burns almost all of their space savings on making the machine thinner, to the point of absurdity. Apple is content to push everything into dongles (which you have to carry around anyway) to get it thinner. The point at which I can't have a wired RJ45 ethernet port is already ridiculous - that is not a thick connector. Same with fullsize USB ports. Battery life there are hard limits as well: nobody is making a l…

I'm sorry who is using RJ45 ports on a laptop these days? Seems like that question was asked and answered years ago, and wifi has won.

Yo (hand up).

I mean. Really. That strikes me as willfully ignorant and arrogant. Clearly it's heavily used, especially in professional/corporate environments.

FWIW I use WiFi if I have to on the move.

But at home and office it's hard wire all the way.

In the office it's not even an option, everybody must.

At home, it's a quality of life thing.

The speed drops and disconnections and unpredictability of WiFi are not thing of the past yet. For some there's a security issue as well, real or perceived.

Wire just works.

Edit: other examples - gaming laptops; secure networks; dense environments either urban or corporate; anything that needs predictable connectivity, bandwidth and lag really :-/

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by dbeley »

For a laptop mainly targeting power users, I think it lacks several features for it to be a game changer:

- trackpoint - real mouse buttons - exotic keyboard layouts (i.e ortholinear)

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by znpy »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #128
Razengan wrote: post #122

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> a wired RJ45 ethernet port is not a thick connector. ……………

There are ultra-slim foldable RJ-45 connectors[1], which manufacturers could use if they could be bothered but they don't, because they would rather save the BOM cost of it and advertise the WiFi capabilities instead. Only Fujitsu use them AFAIK. [1] https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/12/8/16750574/p...

laptops without an rj-45 ethernet connector are just dumb.

it's perfectly feasible to integrate one.

just look a the dell latitude 7390. really, look at it:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/eB6gGRDZWSYT4XW6SeSMtf-120...

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by subaquamille »

Fairphone is doing interchangeability for... phones https://www.fairphone.com/en/ Although the feature/price is a bit below average brands, they are greatly priced if you take into account the sustainability. I Hope more brands will go this way so concurrence could help get better products and reduce electronic trash.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by robotnikman »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #71
sho_hn wrote: post #60

I don't see any information on the licensing of the adapter card / inter-module interfaces. Can others build a Framework laptop without approval? Can others build cards without approval? Will it be a platform? Tell me how this isn't a Nespresso machine for silicon pods. :-) Edit: To be clear, even a "we have a generic base laptop and you can pick your I/O" concept is potentially a nice value prop, but it'd be good if…

They're just USB-C dongles that snap into the chassis.. You can see better shots here: https://frame.work This is an unpopular opinion, but I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. This solution is sort of clever but it sacrifices a ton of internal space that could have been spent on a bigger battery. USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. (the Nespresso analogy is ridiculous, a la…

If it were a phone, I would agree. But laptops are much roomier, and the space lost is probably negligible.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by hinkley »

rkagerer wrote: post #233

With an aluminum rather than magnesium or other body, how bad do you anticipate the flex will be?

Reinforcing fins can do quite a bit. Macbooks don't have a lot of flex.

However, Apple has some patents that cover building up solid aluminum with stir welding instead of CNCing out of a solid block.

You might have to challenge that patent (prior art, Boeing patents that may be older) to make it cheap, but if it's enthusiast targeted, an extra 50 bucks or whatever might be just fine for people.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by sjs382 »

lovelyviking wrote: post #155
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're just USB-C dongles that snap into the chassis.. You can see better shots here: https://frame.work This is an unpopular opinion, but I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. This solution is sort of clever but it sacrifices a ton of internal space that could have been spent on a bigger battery. USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. (the Nespresso analogy is ridiculous, a la…

>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

> How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular.

In the case of the framework laptop, most of the "modules" just seem to be USBC/Thunderbolt-to-X dongles that fit flush with the case.

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