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Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index

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#251

this is beyond stupidity. first we waste all that material and brainpower in stupid wars where we destroy what we build, and kill those who remember how. and then comes captchas and passwords which steal so many hours from all the humans alive. and now things like this, it really pisses me off tbh. this should be used to find cures to peoples suffering. like the value should be real.

you must have had some REALLY bad captcha experiences to put it on the same scale as war

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#252
post #23

From what I understand bitcoin currently has a $20+ transaction fee with a transaction time takes 60 minutes+ With these issues in addition to the high power consumption, how will Bitcoin become a usable currency?

IMO it isn't. However, I do see a huge for sending large transactions. In that sense, I don't find it too crazy that Tesla is accepting Bitcoin, because buying a Tesla is a large transaction. IMO a niche use though.

Tesla isn't accepting Bitcoin.

Re: Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index

#253
How much of that would be wasted otherwise though? You want cheap electricity to mine Bitcoin, so any energy that would otherwise be wasted is ideal. Before Bitcoin, some energy was literally just thrown away. With Bitcoin, it can be put to use for a profit instead.

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#254
Please put on your critical thinking hat for a minute.

Using electricity is not the same as contributing to carbon emissions. Bitcoin is mostly mined in areas overflowing with excess green energy, and thus contributes negligibly to carbon emissions.

The idea that all electricity generation is bad and therefore all electricity usage is bad is completely ridiculous. Instead of working so hard to figure out how to hate on some technology you feel like you missed out on, maybe try understanding it for a minute, and realize the massive net benefits it offers to society.

Re: Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index

#255
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it scale when a block can only contain about 3,000 transactions?

It doesn't. Bitcoins themselves will eventually be migrated of the bitcoin network so that they can be used with the rest of the defi ecosystem.

It won’t matter because the remaining “unstaked” bitcoins will be worth even more so all mining rewards will be worth even more - get it?

Re: Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index

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post #229

Energy consumption doesn't cause emissions. Energy production causes emissions. Reducing consumption (by shaming it, in this case) means less investment in production, because there's less demand. This could slow the green energy transition.

Uh, less consumption also causes less production, maybe you missed that bit? And historically consumption has not lead to the green energy transition on its own, so it's a bit weird to assume it does it now.

I directly call that out: less consumption causes less production, so will reduce investment in production.

If we're talking about emissions of bitcoin we're already talking about second and third order effects, so let's follow it all the way through.

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post #92
post #23

From what I understand bitcoin currently has a $20+ transaction fee with a transaction time takes 60 minutes+ With these issues in addition to the high power consumption, how will Bitcoin become a usable currency?

Buying US stocks takes 2 days to settle. Sending simple wires in the US takes hours. Last time I tried to send significant funds from France to the UK, it took me a whole week of back and forth with the bank to complete all the AML/KYC paperwork. Let's not even talk about how long it would take to move gold from one part of the world to another cf. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-30/iran-is-h... You c…

> Sending simple wires in the US takes hours.

Joke is on you, though. Even Brazil now has instant wires (zero fees).

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post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't and even BTC enthusiasts have given up on that. They narrative is now that BTC is a "store of value".

For many BTC enthusiasts the store of value narrative has been in place for a very long time. “I see Bitcoin as ultimately becoming a reserve currency for banks, playing much the same role as gold did in the early days of banking. Banks could issue digital cash with greater anonymity and lighter weight, more efficient transactions.” - Hal Finney (2010)

Now I'm confused. Bitcoin is not lighter weight than existing digital cash. It's not really lighter weight than anything. Well, possibly the large hadron collider consumes more, I don't know.

Re: Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index

#259
post #254

Please put on your critical thinking hat for a minute. Using electricity is not the same as contributing to carbon emissions. Bitcoin is mostly mined in areas overflowing with excess green energy, and thus contributes negligibly to carbon emissions. The idea that all electricity generation is bad and therefore all electricity usage is bad is completely ridiculous. Instead of working so hard to figure out how to hate…

Do you have numbers to back what you are saying or you are just pulling numbers out from thin air?

Re: Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index

#260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't and even BTC enthusiasts have given up on that. They narrative is now that BTC is a "store of value".

It will. Via second and third layers. It'll scale just fine. An example second layer that you can use right now is the lightning network https://lightning.network/

I was hoping that link would explain how to actually make a transaction with the lightning network. Can you do that with the Bitcoin-Qt client?
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