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The Death of Tony Hsieh: A Spiral of Alcohol, Drugs and Extreme Behavior

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Post by bredren »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #226
bredren wrote: post #150

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I’d add that casual alcohol use being normalized is not necessary or positive. Alcohol use among high school seniors in the US is on the decline, so is use of any “illicit” drug. [1] I’m no square, but this should be encouraged. Young people already deal with stress of fitting in at a high-velocity workplace. Modeling conspicuous substance consumption at work seems pretty backward to me. Perhaps the most irresponsibl…

> Alcohol use among high school seniors in the US is on the decline, so is use of any “illicit” drug. Sounds wholesome, but is probably just the symptom of people going out and socializing less, resulting in increased isolation and loneliness.

According to Pew, teen alcohol consumption has been in decline since 1997.

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Post by DanBC »

jansan wrote: post #245
adrianN wrote: post #228

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Of course there is an exceptional number of ICU patients. Many hospitals in Germany already are running at capacity and can't admit any more ICU patients. And that's despite every postponable operation being postponed.

The offical numbers say that German's hoslitals are not running at their limits. In average roughly 20% of intensive care beds are not occupied. https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/kartenansich...

You never run ICUs at 100% because where would you put the people who have car crashes etc?

Optimal rate depends on the country, but about 75% is typical.

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Post by glangdale »

zpeti wrote: post #232
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #210

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I first thought this "only abnormal people left to communicate" comment referred to online communities. But it could also refer to people who ignore the shut-downs and hang out in smaller groups regardless limits on gathering etc. In my country there is no clear distinction of what type of people make up the crowd which is "still" socializing. While you get some pockets of conspiracy theorists, covid-deniers, mixed w…

Let's suppose you're between 20-30 years old, no health issues, and you see your parents/grandparents once a year, or never. You actually think you're a responsible person and if you ever got a temperature or whatever you'd stay home. I think it would be arguably reasonable for someone like this to socialise right now. The risk is lower than the flu of any complications. The only reason you are being locked down righ…

Given that, as a sibling commenter noted, you can spread COVID-19 to others you come in contact with (who may not have your exact circumstances), this seems daft.

The other element of this that's highly questionable is the claim that "the risk is lower than the flu of any complications". I'm really not sure this is actually true; a significant portion of people seem to be COVID "long-haulers". Even if you're not, maybe some of those other people you're socializing with might turn out to have those risk factors.

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Post by ajit_singh »

1123581321 wrote: post #178
ajit_singh wrote: post #172

Don't want to sound harsh and insinuate anything but did Zappos make any profit? I think the merits of 'Holacracy' that Zappos and Hsieh vehemently propagated can only be validated if it made any impact on the bottomline. The reason I am saying this is because I worked in a startup which tried posturing like Zappos- flat hierarchy, no cabins, boozing, chilling et al, while being run by a cynic CEO. The startup failed…

Zappos didn’t posture. They really believed in what they were doing was good for the people who worked there. They also had imitators who were sincere. Sorry to hear yours wasn’t. Tony Hsieh was not a cynic. I don’t know the financials pre-acquisition but I remember reading they had an excellent repeat purchase rate. Just the fact that they made shoe selling work online, in the first place, was also success as those…

Truely believe that Tony Hsieh wasn't a cynic or a wannabe. My question was centred around their financials because I still believe that the culture that Zappos famously practiced is impossible to imitate without dangerously compromising the company's productivity. So I want to know did it work for Zappos either? Because I think it didn't but I don't have any data.

Disclaimer- Nothing against Tony Hsieh. I am sure he is a good person as I have rarely heard anything other than nice stuff about him.

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Post by solaceb »

watwut wrote: post #227
emptyfile wrote: post #221

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Drinking is normalized in my entire country, but its still pretty obvious you're literally poisoning yourself with alcohol. That much I understood even as a teen.

Well, drinking is normalized in my entire country and dont refer to it as "literally poisoning yourself". I mean, some of abstinents who are strongly against alcohol sometimes do. As an attempt to make others stop drinking. And given that the drinking is normalized, they are small minority. I mean, they are small minority of abstinent too. Most abstinents are kind of content when no one is trying to force them to dri…

What is your claim?

Drinking is normal in your culture —> drinking is not risky in your culture ?

This is patently false; drinking carries risks in any context, perhaps even moreso in environments which fail to recognize its potential for harm

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

downandout wrote: post #173
lazyasciiart wrote: post #146

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Fortunately it is being factored into these decisions, and has been publicly discussed for about nine months now as a consideration. What makes you think it's getting lost? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/health/coronavirus-alcoho...

Given the extreme conditions being imposed in certain states, it certainly is not being factored into these decisions uniformly by all governors. There are states that are using reason and common sense. But look at California for example. When you have Sheriffs in virtually every major county directly and publicly refusing to enforce your orders, perhaps you have gone too far [1]. [1] https://ktla.com/news/local-news…

That's a weakness of allowing elected police chiefs who may be doing this for political reasons and not considering their duty to protect the public.

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Post by jansan »

adrianN wrote: post #249
jansan wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The offical numbers say that German's hoslitals are not running at their limits. In average roughly 20% of intensive care beds are not occupied. https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/kartenansich...

The regional differences are pretty high, and beds are in many cases not the limiting factor. It's ICU nurses. If you can read German here is a source for Berlin: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/zu-viele-corona-patienten... TLDR is only 85% of the beds are full, but there aren't enough nurses, so the emergency room will be closed. Several other hospitals in Berlin already stopped admitting new ICU patients.

Yes, I read German. But this is not a singular event that has never happened before. Here is a report from 2017 that sounds familiar:

https://www.welt.de/regionales/bayern/article161869919/Klini...

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Post by CyberDildonics »

modoc wrote: post #161
js2 wrote: post #103

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Supercharged usually refers to an engine with a supercharger, which is a crankshaft driven pump used to force more air into the engine. It is similar to a turbocharger, except a turbo is driven by exhaust gas. N2O is typically used with a normally aspirated gasoline engine. It's just another way to get more oxygen into the combustion chamber. https://www.racingjunk.com/news/drag-race-101-its-a-gas/

You can absolutely run N2O with a turbo or supercharged engine. I ran a NXExpress rig on my '99 Eclipse GSX back in the day (with a big turbo).

They didn't say it couldn't be used with a super charger, they said it wasn't exclusively used with a super charger.

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Post by adrianN »

jansan wrote: post #257
adrianN wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The regional differences are pretty high, and beds are in many cases not the limiting factor. It's ICU nurses. If you can read German here is a source for Berlin: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/zu-viele-corona-patienten... TLDR is only 85% of the beds are full, but there aren't enough nurses, so the emergency room will be closed. Several other hospitals in Berlin already stopped admitting new ICU patients.

Yes, I read German. But this is not a singular event that has never happened before. Here is a report from 2017 that sounds familiar: https://www.welt.de/regionales/bayern/article161869919/Klini...

Yes of course, there are other occasions where this happens, but I consider in very good evidence against the claim that there is no exceptional ICU load right now.

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Post by watwut »

solaceb wrote: post #255
watwut wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, drinking is normalized in my entire country and dont refer to it as "literally poisoning yourself". I mean, some of abstinents who are strongly against alcohol sometimes do. As an attempt to make others stop drinking. And given that the drinking is normalized, they are small minority. I mean, they are small minority of abstinent too. Most abstinents are kind of content when no one is trying to force them to dri…

What is your claim? Drinking is normal in your culture —> drinking is not risky in your culture ? This is patently false; drinking carries risks in any context, perhaps even moreso in environments which fail to recognize its potential for harm

My claim is that in culture where drinking is normalized, people dont perceive drinking risky. Consequently, drinking as activity is not all that much biased toward "risk takers".

It does not really matter how much risk it "objectively" puts you through. It attracts risk takers only if people consider it risky.

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