Apple Agrees to Pay $113M to Settle 'Batterygate' Case over iPhone Slowdowns

Post by arcticbull » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 6:19 PM UTC

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It's different in that the electric car is marketed as capable of achieving 70mph, Apple does not market iOS devices in terms of performance. No promises were made in that regard - at all, IIRC.

I can't believe how much of an echo-chamber these discussions get. Its like proper politics - once people chose their branch of religion, be it faith in god or in their phone manufacturer, they go to great lengths to twist reality so that their favorite comes always as good guy. Cognitive dissonance anybody? I have no stake at this topic, never owned an Apple device and I don't feel other manufacturers are significan…

Post by Razengan » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 6:39 PM UTC

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This right here is the reason Apple haters irritate me. I love Apple devices and the quality improved in recent years, to the point that I will never leave the ecosystem. But you can not have a healthy discussion about that because some people will come out and attack apple with their blood and tears. No matter ridiculous their stance is. It’s a real shame if hate and anger are more socially acceptable than defending…

I rest my case.

Post by mthoms » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:16 PM UTC

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I think this is the crux of the issue. Apple had to make a call for their customers: ensure the low battery is as long-lasting and predictable as possible around 1-5%, or keep high performance as the phone battery degrades quicker and shuts off. I think many people thoroughly understand how crucial it can be to have that last 1-2% and going into a situation where you think you have 5%, but then the phone dies, is a p…

You're not understanding the issue here. This had nothing to do with how fast the battery degrades. This was only ever about how the phone acts with an already degraded battery. The two choices are 1. Shut off the phone suddenly if any high performance tasks are attempted 2. Throttle the phone performance to keep it from shutting off. Apple chose #2, which is best for customers, and got forced to pay $113M from it. I…

Post by mft_ » Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:22 PM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #254

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Don’t customers have a reasonable expectation of roughly consistent performance of their device? And to your point, car companies don’t market their cars using ‘achieving 70mph’ as a feature. It’s just a reasonable expectation of performance. They might mention the top speed, but that’s more of a specification than a marketing feature in most cases.

Sure, but the performance of your car degrades as the tires bald, does it not? Fuel economy changes, cornering, maximum acceleration off the line.

Post by iabacu » Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 12:39 AM UTC

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I think it's clear Apple intentionally* degrades software quality on older iphone/mac models in order to drive purchase of newer hardware. I've been considering switching away from Apple hardware, not because of hardware quality, but because of software. * By pushing software updates optimized to new hardware with obvious regressions on older models.