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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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The title is slightly misleading. ALL macs with a recent macOS (Catalina?) are freezing, since the security checks that happens when you launch a binary is down. Even if you don't update to Big Sur.

My Mojave was also affected.

Indeed, I was bouncing a session in Logic and even that crawled, activity monitor showed a blank screen when it finally opened and iterm2 was unresponsive. I thought the machine was under load but the fans weren't even on.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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My MacBook is basically unusable right now. This appears to be the reason. Is there any way to fix it without installing little snitch? Edit: working as usual now, moments after i wrote this. But seriously Apple, how can you allow this to happen? Your services hanging should _never_ prevent my device from running things locally. This is seriously making me reconsider my next computer purchase.

System76 is pretty great and they have amazing customer support. Plus between ProtonDB / Lutris you can run pretty much anything you want that needed Windows before. https://system76.com/laptops

I use and love Linux, but come on man, that kind of statement does not help. Even with proton and friends, wine is not perfect. There will most likely be problems, and it's not a one to one transition. However, in my opinion, it is worth it, but there's no sense pretending there is no cost.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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post #70

I remember this discussion from a few months ago where people foresaw that phoning home every time an program launches might be an issue: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23281564

The rabbit hole goes to https://sigpipe.macromates.com/2020/macos-catalina-slow-by-d...

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

#256

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

People chose to use Apple because it seems like a benevolent dictatorship.

And frankly, a benevolent dictatorship is basically the best government you can have, as long as you're part of the "in-group" who doesn't push boundaries, doesn't cause trouble, and supports the supreme ruler, Kim jon... cough* Apple.

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The problem is that no matter how good the dictatorship might be today, it will eventually bite you. You will either develop a need that isn't addressed, or they will change the rules so you are no longer able to satisfy an existing need.

We're seeing this now with Google - Their motto was literally "don't be evil" for a long time. And during that golden period their users loved them. But as Google has shifted from "don't be evil" to "Make lots of money" people are starting to shift away.

Apple is still in the golden phase, but I'm not really convinced they're going to be there much longer.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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You've got to be kidding me. When Apple's servers are down, all Macs worldwide start freezing randomly? My XCode is hanging during builds, is this why? This code signing enforcement stuff has gone way too far. Heads should roll for this.

Wait what happens if you don't have an internet connection? Can Macs not be used offline any more, surely that's still a relatively common use case for a laptop even today in a lot of places?

If you don't have a connection, it just doesn't do the check. If you have a crappy connection like many of our students, it takes forever to check. If the server is down, life just sucks and non-Apple programs don't open.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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post #124

This is the reason I needed to switch to a Linux laptop. I cannot be beholden to Apple’s - or anyone’s - servers when it comes to running applications on my own machine. Any recommendations? I’ve heard good things about System76.

I started with Manjaro, and I would definitely recommend it. I tried to switch to Linux a few times before I arrived at Manjaro, and it was the perfect introduction. It's based on Arch, so you get the most up-to-date packages, but it has a graphical installer and is beginner-friendly. If you can't find something in the default repositories, it's probably in the AUR (user-maintained repositories). Plus, it's just really fun to use.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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This issue + the inevitable platform switching costs may wipe out the momentum gained from the new offer.

Esp. rational corporate buyers are not going to want some 'cool new hardware' if they can't do basic things.

Makes you think about MS's existential 'always backwards compatible' philosophy.

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