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Couldn’t the same be said for youtube-dl? Again, I don’t know.. just curious.

People seem to assume that, just because youtube-dl got a single takedown request from a prospective plaintiff, it’s now as illegal as cocaine. The reality is that youtube-dl is a perfectly legal tool, and it will continue to be so at least until a judge rules otherwise — and even then, only in a specific jurisdiction. Should you be considered a child-molester just because I accuse you to be one?

Wow, you got real dark with that one.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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> it's carwhale, foodwhale, healthwhale. Keep going. Keep thinking. You're describing a post-scarcity utopia where we can spend our creative energy where we want and not be tied down to jobs that we hate in order to pay the bills. Yes, I would very much like that for everyone. Thank you for bringing this topic up. Let it come.

Haha. I've read that. Remind me, in this Utopia, who collects the trash?

Me.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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> ...as people convince themselves digital theft is somehow not to be equated to physical theft. Do you honestly thing the two are in any way equivalent? If I steal a physical item from you, you no longer have that item. If I download a copyrighted item that I never would have purchased, and you are entitled to royalties from then you lose nothing. If I download 100 items and I otherwise would have bought 5% of them,…

Like many arguments defending wholesale sharing, they start at the end products and look forward, instead of being even a tiny bit cognisant of the process by which those items came to be. The thinking is along the lines of, look at this car and look at this mp3, they're so different. But obviously they share important similarities, those being that both needed ingenious human thought plus plenty of physical objects…

I certainly don't intend to devalue creativity. Like many (most?) on HN I have a career where I get paid for my creative work.

However, creative outputs are qualitatively (and legally) distinct from physical outputs and to pretend otherwise is only going to be a hindrance in properly creating a system to nurture cultural output.

Let's start with the car example. I can buy a car, modify it and resell it. I can buy a cassette, modify it and resell it. Legally I can't buy a digital download, remix it and resell it. There's already a difference here.

If I come up with an improvement to someone else's car design, am I allowed to print up one for myself on carwhale? Am I allowed to sell the new design? Am I allowed to describe my changes to someone else? Where do we draw the line? 100 years after the first car is printed from car-whale, does the estate of the person who designed the base model that the cars we are now printing hardly resembles still get royalties because the design before the design before ... the design before happened to use their car as a quickstart convenience?

With physical objects it's clear. The person who built the car gets paid once and we don't have to debate 100 years later over ship-of-theseus questions. With creative outputs its far less clear.

Just because we agree that it is a Good Thing for creators to be rewarded for their work doesn't mean that copying their work is equivalent with theft. It's its own unique thing and coming up with a framework to handle it correctly is quite challenging and to just say "digital theft is still theft" is a way to ignore those challenges rather than trying to meet those challenges.

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I really like this. It seems like the federated model is gaining traction among the decentralized community (Mastadon, peertube..) but I'd love to get to the point where self-hosting is as accessible to internet users as signing up. My vision for music (and other things) sharing is your personal library is on your personal private server, and you can give access to whoever you want individually. Now your streaming so…

I would push it even further. All these isolated, unstandardized and closed silos are really horrible. I want that in some future we will own all of our networks, not just the data. So, your social graph private and professiinal, your knowledge graph (which could include music) and when you meet someone, that person could grant you access to his graphs. "Stand on the shoulders of giants" would then also be true for your close private family, where you would have access to e.g. your fathers knowledge.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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I really like this. It seems like the federated model is gaining traction among the decentralized community (Mastadon, peertube..) but I'd love to get to the point where self-hosting is as accessible to internet users as signing up. My vision for music (and other things) sharing is your personal library is on your personal private server, and you can give access to whoever you want individually. Now your streaming so…

I would push it even further. All these isolated, unstandardized and closed silos are really horrible. I want that in some future we will own all of our networks, not just the data. So, your social graph private and professiinal, your knowledge graph (which could include music) and when you meet someone, that person could grant you access to his graphs. "Stand on the shoulders of giants" would then also be true for y…

There is an effort under way, one of which is led by Tim Berners-Lee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_(web_decentralization_pr...

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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I am aware of ASCAP and the RIAA's (and friends) claims; I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them. You are free to do whatever you like with your free time, of course.

> I just don't uncritically accept them, let alone act as a volunteer copyright-cop for them. It seems like you are implying I am. When all I'm trying to do is make sure musicians get fairly paid for their work. So yeah, I'm not super concerned about playing music loud in my car as you sarcastically suggested I should be. I am concerned about joining a music platform where something I purchased can be shared for free…

> a music platform where something I purchased can be shared for free to millions of people

That doesn’t seem to be the intent or reality of how Funkwhale is used. All of the public pods I saw had less than 200 members. I imagine you’d run into scaling problems with larger pods.

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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I would push it even further. All these isolated, unstandardized and closed silos are really horrible. I want that in some future we will own all of our networks, not just the data. So, your social graph private and professiinal, your knowledge graph (which could include music) and when you meet someone, that person could grant you access to his graphs. "Stand on the shoulders of giants" would then also be true for y…

There is an effort under way, one of which is led by Tim Berners-Lee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_(web_decentralization_pr...

Everytime I read about solid I just can't see it working out. It's HARD for someone to host something themselves, and when you talk about decoupling the data from the interface that means any user needs to deal with two system when they used to deal with one. Ease-of-use is one of the most important things for broad adoption--that's everything is "signup and we take care of everything" instead of "run this code on your computer".

Re: Funkwhale – Decentralized, self-hosted music server

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I've been using this for a little over a year and like it a lot but it lacks the music discovery features of commercial platforms (which becomes important when you have terabytes of music) and takes a lot of effort to organize music and create play lists. The music onboarding process typically starts with organizing metadata with Musicbrainz Picard then import the collection into Funkwhale's DB via a cli admin tool.…

Which music service's discovery features actually work? For me the only one that worked was Google Play Music. The rest have been total and utter crap at discovery.

>The rest have been total and utter crap at discovery.

Strongly agree that music discovery is, in some sense, generally 'broken' across most platforms and not very good. I have been deeply dissatisfied with just about every system. I found Google Play music to be okay.

My best luck these days is what I would call a "brute force" search through record labels, last.fm similar artists, bandcamp pages for genres, sputnik listings for particular genres, etc.

It's very hit or miss, but I feel like it leads to me to my occasional lightning strikes, which are what I really want. These discoveries are quite different from the guesses put forward my recommendation engines, which seem to smooth out the interesting edges and signatures of personality and gradually draws toward a lowest common denominator, with no lightning strikes.

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