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Re: YouTube Down

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Post by geerlingguy »

falcolas wrote: post #247
eat_veggies wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notion of media that "actually helps" you is itself just as constructed as YouTube. Interrogate where it comes from and what sort of cultural work it's doing. Does "help" mean that it makes you a better worker? Why doesn't YouTube help you, and is that a bad thing? Second, the good old days of "before" we were enterprising enough to invent big data etc. is retroactively constituted, and not apparent until its dem…

So, I think there's one (or two) easily carved exceptions to your "YouTube doesn't actually help you" statement. One, Veritasium. Content like this didn't (perhaps even couldn't) exist before YouTube. The science TV shows and even many books don't go into as much user-friendly depth as this does. You'd have to go to college and pay to get content even remotely close (and still, based on prior experience, not as good)…

On that note, channels like AvE and Real Engineering come from two different ends of the spectrum in terms of production quality but have a similar feel in terms of how much I learn per minute of content.

There are also channels like the Sampson Boat Company that take a project that would've just ended up turning an old boat into scrap after a while into one of my favorite carpentry/woodworking things to watch, better even than old episodes of the Woodwright's shop or This Old House.

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Post by soheil »

brewdad wrote: post #219
soheil wrote: post #213

Now that YouTube is back up I take this opportunity to put this thread to a good use and ask what does it take to create an alternative to YouTube? Would love your opinions/wish list/must haves.

First, collect a few billion dollars....

Do you have any evidence for that?

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by soheil »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #217
soheil wrote: post #213

Now that YouTube is back up I take this opportunity to put this thread to a good use and ask what does it take to create an alternative to YouTube? Would love your opinions/wish list/must haves.

The folks at MindGeek probably can answer that better than anyone.

p0rn is not really an alternative to YT

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by badocr »

lovelyviking wrote: post #208
shmerl wrote: post #205

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DASH isn't driven by greed really, it simply allows flexibly and seamlessly switching audio and video streams to vary quality. You can change resolution, and it still plays things continuously for you. But it makes it hard to download, unless you stitch all that on the receiving end, something that youtube-dl does. Greed and etc. were already piled on top of that with DRM, obfuscation and the like.

youtube videos are drm protected?

videos with content-matched copyrighted audio have some sort of obfuscation in the js player, mostly to deter casual downloading.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by jiggawatts »

vxxzy wrote: post #89

Sorry... I think I broke YouTube when I converted my Google Music account over to YT. Happened at the exact same time! /s (but really at the same time)

Did you register as "First name: Null" and "Second name: [object Object]"?

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by baby »

nonbirithm wrote: post #227

With the amount of attention around this outage, it feels like YouTube has become completely ubiquitous in modern society. I can't imagine a future in which YouTube just ceases to exist. The company has already become tied to the livelihoods of so many people, and has spawned too many significant subcultures. It's a strange feeling to be alive just after all of the significant technology companies were created and st…

This. People like to complain about facebook, but I spend way more times watching youtube and getting political ads there. If you live in california it’s awful (prop 22, prop 23, I will die if you don’t vote for it!) or san diego (BARBARY BrIE WAS ASLEEP on THE JoB).

Then there is the obvious “the algorithm can dictate what you watch” that tik tok was so critiqued for.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by numpad0 »

falcolas wrote: post #247
eat_veggies wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notion of media that "actually helps" you is itself just as constructed as YouTube. Interrogate where it comes from and what sort of cultural work it's doing. Does "help" mean that it makes you a better worker? Why doesn't YouTube help you, and is that a bad thing? Second, the good old days of "before" we were enterprising enough to invent big data etc. is retroactively constituted, and not apparent until its dem…

So, I think there's one (or two) easily carved exceptions to your "YouTube doesn't actually help you" statement. One, Veritasium. Content like this didn't (perhaps even couldn't) exist before YouTube. The science TV shows and even many books don't go into as much user-friendly depth as this does. You'd have to go to college and pay to get content even remotely close (and still, based on prior experience, not as good)…

I think there is something to be said about connection to the real world economy and hard currency, and values that contents on the Internet offer are surprisingly lean on that front.

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Post by jccooper »

DogOfTheGaps wrote: post #242
mdoms wrote: post #233

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> YouTube has only existed for fifteen years, but it might continue to exist for centuries Get a grip. Media companies come and go. They always seem unassailable at their apex.

Can you give an example of a major media company that no longer exists? CBS,NBC,ABC,Fox, etc have existed for ages.

There's tons that no longer exist as independent entities. Of the Big 5 movie studios, only MGM is still independent. 20th Century Fox is under Disney, Paramount is under CBS, and Warner Bros is under AT&T, though they retain some identity still.

But RKO is just straight up dead, which I don't think anyone would have called in 1943, its 15th year. 1946 would be its most profitable year. It was gone in 1957.

Re: YouTube Down

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Post by falcolas »

numpad0 wrote: post #257
falcolas wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, I think there's one (or two) easily carved exceptions to your "YouTube doesn't actually help you" statement. One, Veritasium. Content like this didn't (perhaps even couldn't) exist before YouTube. The science TV shows and even many books don't go into as much user-friendly depth as this does. You'd have to go to college and pay to get content even remotely close (and still, based on prior experience, not as good)…

I think there is something to be said about connection to the real world economy and hard currency, and values that contents on the Internet offer are surprisingly lean on that front.

The value of the physical does not imply a lack of value in the digital.

The value of the digital equally does not imply a lack of value in the physical.

And, I will assert until I’m dead, the internet has done nothing but broaden my horizons - for the internet is full of quality information and entertainment, beyond what I could ever find in the physical world, if only because without a free or cheap publishing method the information and entertainment would not exist.

Some things are simply not possible with only a “physical economy,” because t physical economy is about things, not ideas.

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