Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

nationalgeographic.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

251–260 of 288 posts

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#251

Post by ardy42 »

PakG1 wrote: post #122
jimmaswell wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe now is the time to rip off the bandaid and break trade with China while we're already in a recession anyway.

I think you misunderstand how much of the world's electronics are manufactured in China and how difficult it would be to relocate all that. Like I'm invested in a rare earth element company in Canada, and I still expect to see the world rely on Chinese rare earth elements for a few years yet, let alone manufacturing know-how. It'll take a few years, maybe a decade, to set all that up in other countries, including in…

> Obama once asked Steve Jobs why the iPhone can't be manufactured in the US, Jobs said the skills weren't there.

Once upon a time, the skills weren't in China, either.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#252

Post by PakG1 »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #153
PakG1 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did an MBA in Hong Kong, just finished earlier this year. A lot of my classmates are mainland Chinese. Bunch of them would regularly talk with each other and say that military action was the only way to resolve the situation, China needs to send its military to Taiwan and overrun the Taiwanese defenses quickly. Baffles my mind that they're so ready to default to war. Some other mainland Chinese people are more nuance…

Would China let any non-loyalists go to HK?

Not sure what your question is. With the new laws, China would not let any HK residents be non-loyalists.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#253

Post by PakG1 »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #159
mytailorisrich wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PRC controls 99% of China (that's about the ratio between the PRC and Taiwan). There was not really a choice there. As a European I don't really see what there is to resolve. I can just hope that things stay peaceful.

The desired resolution is that China becomes a free country. When the Nazis occupied France, the world didn't say "oh that's an internal German domestic issue"

The difference being that the world never agreed to the idea that France was a part of Germany. The world has for the most part agreed that Taiwan is a part of China. It is what it is. Whatever people's personal feelings might be, that is what most of the world has agreed to at an international diplomatic level. Only insignificant countries like Paraguay have decided to consider Taiwan an independent nation state.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#254

Post by stjohnswarts »

canada_dry wrote: post #6

What has happened to Hong Kong is a strong canary-in-the-coal-mine indicator for other Chinese territorial disputes [i]. With Hong Kong it was somewhat inevitable but I can't help but imagine how different it would be if the US and EU/Britain (as leads) would have strongly denounced their approach. I suspect in a decade from now the West will be lamenting how Hong Kong was the right opportunity to stifle China's ambi…

It also shows how they negotiate with those who don't share the same governmental ideals that they have. In particular those who might be opposing their attempt to take over the entire south china sea.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#255

Post by dang »

bassman9000 wrote: post #76
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can no longer say "the west" and expect a unified response - brexit, the constant attacks on member nations of NATO by Trump, The Iran deal that Europe still backs but the US doesn't. There's a reason Russia and China are bold right now. EDIT: I get it, it's politically charged, but I remind everyone to discuss, rather than downvote, based on your own political opinion.

Most of the West wants to appease China. What response are you talking about. It's not standing in front, that's for sure. EU silence is deafening, except for some weak, mild comments here or there. China's diplomacy barks back, and EU commissioners become silent.

It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political and nationalistic battle. That's against the site guidelines and we ban accounts that do it because, as the guidelines explain, it spoils the curiosity that this site exists for. So would you please stop doing this?

If you want more explanation there are plenty of past explanations at these links:

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#256

Post by stjohnswarts »

shirakawasuna wrote: post #198
treeman79 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps avoiding Millions be put in camps and used as cheap source of organ harvesting.

Claims literally spread by the Falun Gong cult, Adrian Zenz, and NED-funded groups citing both.

Claims confirmed by western journalists as well.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#257

Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

nemo44x wrote: post #172
Der_Einzige wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope, there will be no great power wars while MAD still exists (and it does between china and the US). At best, you will get some kind of military skirmish before they decide to pull out the nukes. There will likely be threats of nuclear exchange which lead to a cease fire. If there is no cease fire, than God help us all. But no, two nuclear armed states are not going to fight a large scale conventional war. Partly t…

I do wonder what will happen when we arrive at a point in the future where a country has developed perfect ICBM intercept technology. Of course there is still the submarine and bomber approach as well but they can’t as easily be dialed up in literal minutes.

That would depend on what you mean by perfect and how this system would work? If it were to work in the end/reentry phase, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't work against bombers, or ICBMs/cruise missiles launched from submarines also? Either it can fly-swat anything incoming, or it can't.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#258

Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

ardy42 wrote: post #251
PakG1 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misunderstand how much of the world's electronics are manufactured in China and how difficult it would be to relocate all that. Like I'm invested in a rare earth element company in Canada, and I still expect to see the world rely on Chinese rare earth elements for a few years yet, let alone manufacturing know-how. It'll take a few years, maybe a decade, to set all that up in other countries, including in…

> Obama once asked Steve Jobs why the iPhone can't be manufactured in the US, Jobs said the skills weren't there. Once upon a time, the skills weren't in China, either.

https://www.cultofmac.com/617676/a-brief-history-of-steve-jo...

edit: Similar case in Augsburg, Germany where Fujitsu-Siemens had a very modern and automated assembly line, even allowing small batches of "built to order" variations out of common bases. Didn't matter. Gone. Recently(as in about 2 years ago).

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#259

Post by mytailorisrich »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #159
mytailorisrich wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PRC controls 99% of China (that's about the ratio between the PRC and Taiwan). There was not really a choice there. As a European I don't really see what there is to resolve. I can just hope that things stay peaceful.

The desired resolution is that China becomes a free country. When the Nazis occupied France, the world didn't say "oh that's an internal German domestic issue"

What have the Nazis and Germany's invasion of France to do with this? It's an offensive and ridiculous comparison, frankly.

Re: Hong Kong mourns the end of its way of life

#260

Post by mytailorisrich »

PakG1 wrote: post #253
srtjstjsj wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The desired resolution is that China becomes a free country. When the Nazis occupied France, the world didn't say "oh that's an internal German domestic issue"

The difference being that the world never agreed to the idea that France was a part of Germany. The world has for the most part agreed that Taiwan is a part of China. It is what it is. Whatever people's personal feelings might be, that is what most of the world has agreed to at an international diplomatic level. Only insignificant countries like Paraguay have decided to consider Taiwan an independent nation state.

Taiwan is factually an independent state and in practice recognised as such by everyone, including the PRC. "Nation state" has a different meaning and that's not really the case for Taiwan.

There's a lot of propaganda like for HK, which is popular with the Western public who is naive and not well informed (as all public)

Post reply on HN