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At some point you have to question people that choose to work at Amazon who have other options. At the very least.
I worked at Amazon and I had other options. What about me do you have to question?
> Analysts must be capable of engaging and informing L7+ ER Principals (attorney stakeholders)
Does anyone who doesn’t work at Amazon know what “L7 + ER Principals” means?
Perhaps these are universally understood terms in some fields, but my guess is that the “error” was posting this publicly, and it was meant to be an Amazon-internal job posting.
Sometimes, for legal reasons, these sorts of jobs are required to be posted publicly, but not in a way that makes the underlying content clear to anyone [0]. So another possibility is that the mistake was posting the job with too many specifics.
Whenever unions are mentioned on HN there always seems to be a coordinated effort to attack them in the comments, very interesting.
I am a 34 year old immigrant from a country where unions are synonymous with both corruption and workers rights.
US also has a similar history.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=518184...
Edit: downvoted for pointing out facts. Your downvotes won't change reality, as much as you think it does.
This does not surprise me. I've been waiting to see corporate intelligence agencies pop up. When you think about it, Amazon had an operating budget last year of around $309 billion [1], already 75% of Germany's at $399 billion [2]. Facebook has an operating budget of around $35 billion, but that is still enough to field a small intelligence arm. Also, that is Facebook..not all Facebook properties combined. [1] https:…
I don’t know why this is even controversial. American style unions are bad for business, plain and simple. And Amazon is legally required to put the interests of its investors first. Amazon is going to be doing whatever it can to discourage unionization, that’s just what’s going to happen, and I find it hard to blame them.
Maybe it's controversial because it's blatantly illegal under the National Labor Relations Act. https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1300856270572916736
Spying, yes, but I don’t see that in the description.
And your Twitter post is gone.
This is just proof that not everyone is following the same narrative that you’re personally following or understands reality the same way you do. It’s beyond me how that job post would make sense to anyone besides someone who is disconnected from the usual contending rhetorics Amazon is involved in. Nobody raised a flag on how that would look like for them? You gotta be pretty oblivious to read that and say “yeah tha…
Are you commenting on the optics or the ethics? In a broader context, I don’t understand how others see this as a victory. As if taking the job post down means it’s not still part of their strategy.
Maybe people involved on these projects are so oblivious that it never occurred to them that they may be contributing to something that could be borderline unethical.
What’s kind of ridiculous about this is that you can tell these job requirements were written by a lawyer or similar. People that are trained and presumed to have a somewhat acute skill to evaluate the ethical complexities of a situation.
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I'm pretty sure it isn't illegal to seek out an employee with strike-busting knowledge.
Sure, but you're already treading in murky legal waters. Just this posting could be viewed as Amazon trying to create the impression that it is actively surveilling labor organizing activities, which it's illegal to suggest, even if you're not actually engaging in that practice.
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So what does that make corporations with more than 1 location?
Each location should have its own union, grouping them all up allows the needs of the few to get drowned out by the wants of the many, and elevates union leadership to a position of power over the workers as union reps have easier access to spread their messaging to employees across locations while normal employees can only organize within their location.
> Each location should have its own union
You might as well go all the way, and condemn any union with more than one member.
The whole point of a union is to have an organization representing the workers that has enough power to negotiate with the employer as a relative equal. Your "single site" unions would be pointless in many cases. They'd have no power, because the employer's power to close and transfer work between sites would completely undermine the union with little disruption to the employer. Just look at how Walmart handled it's only successful unionization effort:
https://apnews.com/3d709955866a71cc82d641b848714fd0
> The United Food and Commercial Workers is seeking an injunction against Wal-Mart Stores Inc. to prevent the giant retailer from eliminating meat cutting departments at 180 stores with prepackaged meat....
> The decision to eliminate the meat cutters came just weeks after the butchers at the Jacksonville, Texas, Wal-Mart voted 7-3 to join the UFCW, the first successful union vote in the country at a Wal-Mart, a company well known for its opposition to organized labor.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/union-walmart-shut-5-stores-ove...:
> The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union has filed a claim with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) that Walmart's (WMT) recent closing of five stores was done in retaliation for a history of labor activism at one of the locations, rather than because of the plumbing problems the retailer cited, The New York Times reports. The union is asking the government agency for an injunction that would require Walmart to rehire the 2,200 workers who were temporarily laid off or affected by the closings.
Your "single site" unions would be anything less than a sham to neuter unions was that if businesses were also forbidden from expanding beyond a single site, so each location would have to be a totally independent business. So instead of the Walmart corporation, you'd have 11,496 independent retail businesses with no common ownership or management structure.
I will never purchase anything from an Amazon-related company.