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Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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Re: Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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That's an interesting observation, although it does depend on the benefits landscape where you live.

I love the idea of benefits conceived of as a landscape. You have the slough of despond, the scorched desert, the arctic wasteland, the jagged windswept hellscape, etc.

The old pit

Re: Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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> lower than 3 days and I will go insane of not exercising my mind It's not like paid work is the only place where you can exercise your mind

I agree but I find it the most practical place. If I can’t exercise my mind, then there’s nothing for me at work other than obtaining an income (no SF salary here so no financial independence possible).

I do the same only I exercise the body at work.

Re: Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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Thanks to technology, the need for employment is at the lowest it has ever been, if someone is willing to make a lot of sacrifices when it comes to modern luxuries. However, if one desires to live with luxuries such as, gasp, housing and medical care, then life becomes extremely expensive, especially in US cities. So increasingly as I see it, you either need to be making big bucks as a developer/executive, or you nee…

It really makes the US sound like a third world country to me. I have a confession: I've never ever not once in my life worked a job for pay. I have free housing, medical care, electricity and a fair amount of money to spend on food, even the occasional luxury. The social security landscape benefitting me has allowed me to live my life in pursuit of arts and technology, at no cost and no sacrifice. Computers are cheap, and living here is free. I'm in the poorest underclass in my society, yet I feel wealthier and luckier than an average American, apparently. Best of all, I almost never have to wake up to an alarm clock. ^_^

Re: Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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The day I drove into Mexico it was a huge shock to see so many people around just enjoying their time - paying with their younger relatives on the beach, playing guitar, singing and dancing. My fascination and disbelief at the amount of leisure time everyone has continued for two years through all of Latin America, and then for another three years when I drove right around Africa. Having come from years grinding at a…

Where did you go? Because the average Mexican works more hours than every other OCDE country[1]. [1] https://data.oecd.org/emp/hours-worked.htm

I spent roughly a month per country in 17 countries in Latin America over 2 years, and 35 countries around Africa in 3 years.

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Re: Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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highly agree > I frequently take many months off between jobs, sometimes a year or more. Definitely speaking from a place of privilege. Single moms living in poverty don't have the luxury to care for her mental health. She probably can't take even a few days off, voluntarily, much rather months or years. Let me ask you (caymanjim), in the months and years you take off, how do you subsist? The average American has, wh…

Single moms are not victims, especially now days. They are dumb people that made bad choices cause they know society will bail them out. Birth control is so readily available there are practically people throwing it at young women on the street corners for free, this is barely an exaggeration. Its crazy for any woman to become a single mom these days unless they are like 13yo in which case they are what a real victim…

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar.

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Re: Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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Consumption usually costs money and increases money velocity, which leads to a better economy. So it's a bit different than "idleness."

A better economy... Please define "better".

Money is worse when its velocity is low. This is associated with hoarding of cash.

The world could have 10000T in cash but if no exchange happens, everyone is poor.

Re: Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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This honestly sounds just like my nightmares. I'd rather go live in a tent than spend 10+ years putting in 70+ hour weeks just to retire when all of my best years are behind me.

Feel free. Different strokes. I spent 3 years of my life professionally gambling as one of my full-time jobs and lived more in those 3 years than most do in a lifetime, and founded a company with an eight-figure valuation that is a lot of fun to run. If I worked some boring desk job that I hated, sure. Besides, my best years are ahead of me. I'll be in great shape in my 50s with nothing but time and options. The idea…

It sounds like you're enjoying what you're doing so this doesn't necessarily apply to you, but the suffer now to enjoy life later mentality assumes you'll make it to your 50s.

Tomorrow isn't guaranteed so we should make time to experience life and live our values today.

Re: Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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post #176

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It's not like spending your time on jury duty is in any way better than spending it on work (or pretty much everything, for that matter).

You don't think doing your part to guarantee your fellow citizens get their (in the US at least) constitutionally guaranteed right to a jury trial is "worth it"?

If only there was a way to do that without being treated with a general low-grade contempt.

Re: Bertrand Russell's argument for idleness is more relevant than ever

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Well, we have one big agglomeration in the US for policing workers. That hasn't led to positive results for society.

I'm not sure what you're talking about? The police?

The police.
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