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Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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Nothing in the complaint (well, for the two others, since his is sealed) says that a state-level actor wasn't involved. Could be the tip of the iceberg. I find it hard to believe that this was prank hacking for about $150,000. You could sell Obama's handle for more, surely.

Do you know anybody willing to pay over $150,000 for temporary access to Obama’s twitter account? I find this type of comment kind of naive and poorly thought out. Just because you’re a hacker doesn’t mean you know how to sell secrets to Russia, and trying to establish lines of communication like that are probably going to raise red flags with law enforcement. To be fair, the strategy of scamming for bitcoin was craz…

Cue the entire movie "Burn after reading."

Kid had the whole attention of the world for a few minutes, could've walked away a billionaire, start WW3, casino royale stock trading - everything, anything - CREATIVELY there's so much that could've been done and it all fell down to a bitcoin scam that netted less that 150K (wallet shows about 128k.)

That's a yearly salary of a help desk engineer on the west coast.

--I'm not sure which video to link of "Burn after reading" but the entire movie is how this was handled.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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Trying to paint this 17-year old kid as a criminal mastermind strikes me as rather gross. I can see it as a kid doing it to see if he could, and using an obviously meme-worthy fake post that got out of hand. I think everyone has done some dumb things at this age without thinking about the consequences. If that is the case here, I hope this doesn't ruin the guys life.

Would that apply to criminals of all ages, based on their intelligence / mental maturity? Plenty of incarcerated 18+ adults with less brainpower than this guy were deemed responsible for their actions.

I think there are some arguments here to be made about the development of the prefrontal cortex. You may not be as “intelligent” as someone who is 17, but if you’re over the age of 25 your decision making capabilities are likely much much better.

There’s a lot of evidence to support this. I will present my own anecdotal evidence because hacker news loves that stuff. I acutely felt my decision making improve a few months before I turned twenty five. It hit me like a wave, and reflecting on my past decisions felt like looking at the actions of a completely different person. If I were in different, more difficult positions when I was younger, it is unlikely that my decisions would be as rationally thought out as they would be now.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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Trying to paint this 17-year old kid as a criminal mastermind strikes me as rather gross. I can see it as a kid doing it to see if he could, and using an obviously meme-worthy fake post that got out of hand. I think everyone has done some dumb things at this age without thinking about the consequences. If that is the case here, I hope this doesn't ruin the guys life.

Would that apply to criminals of all ages, based on their intelligence / mental maturity? Plenty of incarcerated 18+ adults with less brainpower than this guy were deemed responsible for their actions.

So what do you think is an appropriate sentence for him?

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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The age of the attacker is irrelevant to Twitter's role in this story. However your underlying point still stands. If we want these types of attacks to stop, we can't just let all these companies off with a public embarrassment being the primary punishment. At a certain point we have to start calling it negligence when companies fall for these attacks and fail to have proper precautions in place to prevent them.

From memory, I recall the FBI did a study, and found that half of their employees would plug in a USB drive that they found on the ground in the parking lot. After training, that number was reduced to a quarter. If a security-focused government police agency is so vulnerable, it is unreasonable to expect perfection from a (less paranoid) company.

Then you need processes in place to make sure a single person being careless cant do this much damage. There are low tech solutions that would greatly improve security[1], however the overhead this introduces is hard to justify in a world in which these breaches aren't that damaging to a company. We need to change incentives for companies by either mandating these security practices or implementing harmful repercussions for choosing a less secure approach.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-man_rule

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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Trying to paint this 17-year old kid as a criminal mastermind strikes me as rather gross. I can see it as a kid doing it to see if he could, and using an obviously meme-worthy fake post that got out of hand. I think everyone has done some dumb things at this age without thinking about the consequences. If that is the case here, I hope this doesn't ruin the guys life.

This isn't grabbing a 10 year old kid pocketing a candy bar at the grocery store.

17 year olds understand the consequences of stealing $100,000 (and honestly they were probably very disappointed with how little they got).

Agree that his life shouldn't be "ruined" because of this, but he's committed a serious crime that was obviously a serious crime.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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I personally lost $6000 dollars, is there any way I could prove that I was a victim and get my crypto back?

You sent $6k in bitcoin to Elon Musk because you thought he'd give you $12k back? Assuming this isn't a joke, consider that $6k a lesson to not be such a gullible mark.

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Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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Bitcoin is actually explicitly designed to enable recourse and refunds. Every single transaction is permanently and immutable tied to a verifiable identity. Through common practice, these identities are treated as disposable and therefor generally ignored. But stating that the currency is explicitly designed to disallow accountability is not an accurate representation of reality. -- Edit to add a practical example fo…

Transactions are not reversible by legal authority in bitcoin, only by the receiving party willingly doing the transaction in reverse. What you are talking about is establishing reputability, not about refund-ability or the ability of authorities to reverse illicit transactions. You can see that as a feature of bitcoin or not, but if you want protections from a system you need to act within that system.

I am saying I know I made a mistake and if they truly caught those who are responsible, then I don't see why they won't be able to get access to the stolen funds. My eth is in that collection of stolen funds. I'd rather prove it's mine and have the government return it to me vs them auctioning it off.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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post #220

Trying to paint this 17-year old kid as a criminal mastermind strikes me as rather gross. I can see it as a kid doing it to see if he could, and using an obviously meme-worthy fake post that got out of hand. I think everyone has done some dumb things at this age without thinking about the consequences. If that is the case here, I hope this doesn't ruin the guys life.

Would that apply to criminals of all ages, based on their intelligence / mental maturity? Plenty of incarcerated 18+ adults with less brainpower than this guy were deemed responsible for their actions.

It's not like our (the United States) justice system is something to be upheld as an exemplary model, honestly it could probably be viewed as one of the worst in the world in many respects.

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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I agree this bothers me to my core. Even the 22 year old hasn't developed a fully functional neocortex. I know it seems a little hypocritical of me for getting sad when this happens to a young programmer and not an inner city gang member, but it does. To pull off a hack like this is indicative of these kids being intelligent, risky and bold. Yeah, they went where they shouldn't, but I personally think these are the t…

> To pull off a hack like this is indicative of these kids being intelligent, risky and bold. Yeah, they went where they shouldn't They engaged in straight up fraud! It's not like they just pranked some folks, they tried to fool the world into sending them money. It's true the fraud didn't work that well (or rather, not in relation to the severity of the Twitter hack), but they still stole some $100kUS or whatever. Y…

> they tried to fool the world into sending them money

Their mistake was they failed to call it a "series A funding round."

Re: Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack

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No where in the article it mentions how did they nail him or how did he do. With Twitter saying that this entire process was done by social engineering some employee and then gaining system access of others by monitoring the process - this seems to have been done by someone with Corporate process understanding and hard to believe it could be a 18 yold.

Teenagers broke into phone switches through social engineering for sport in the 1990s.

1980s, yo.
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