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Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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AnimalMuppet wrote: post #119
khawkins wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is under the assumption that you see college is a program of self-betterment and not busy work for receiving a degree that says you can have a middle-class job. It feels like even the universities themselves see it as the latter these days.

But if you can't do the middle-class job because you can't write, the piece of paper will only get you so far. It may get you an entry-level job, but you probably won't get much in the way of promotions. So even from that perspective, plagiarism isn't helpful.

There seems to be a sizable group where any job (especially an entry-level middle class job with the associated health insurance benefits and salary) would be a massive step up in income and social status. Cheating on a test to escape a life of poverty in the slums is not much of a dilemma IMO.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by barry-cotter »

non-entity wrote: post #128
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #123

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This sounds really interesting. Would you specify which state university?

Sure, It's the University of Colorado Boulder Masters programs hosted through Coursera: https://www.coursera.org/degrees/msee-boulder https://www.coursera.org/degrees/master-of-science-data-scie... The fact that they're masters programs with performance based admissions make them even more suspicious to me, but if you're looking for bachelors programs like this I think the ASU bachelors hosted Coursera also has such…

How far do they go on the performance based admission? Must you have a Bachelor’s to be admitted? I’m currently on my last year of my Master’s and did not fulfill the usual entrance requirements but CEFIMS will let you into their Master’s programmes sans Bachelor’s though there is a bit of hoop jumping and it’s difficult to do it in the two year minimum for students who start with a Bachelor’s.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by leethargo »

stormdennis wrote: post #234
dart600 wrote: post #33

Hi. I attended this school and then got accepted to another more standard institution, which I applied at the same time to. The new institution, learning I had been attending U of the P, promptly told me that U of the P credits would not transfer. Universal transferability in question, I opted out. I did enjoy meeting people from all walks of life, all over the world. However, I also saw a grossly wide range of educa…

The saying goes: copying from one person is plagiarism, copying from many is research.

But in the latter case, sources are properly referenced?

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by imtringued »

WJW wrote: post #251
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if you can't do the middle-class job because you can't write, the piece of paper will only get you so far. It may get you an entry-level job, but you probably won't get much in the way of promotions. So even from that perspective, plagiarism isn't helpful.

There seems to be a sizable group where any job (especially an entry-level middle class job with the associated health insurance benefits and salary) would be a massive step up in income and social status. Cheating on a test to escape a life of poverty in the slums is not much of a dilemma IMO.

It's actually the opposite. First generation migrants try their best because they know what happens if they fail. Cheating is easier if you can bribe authorities.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by imtringued »

christiansakai wrote: post #151
themodelplumber wrote: post #40

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> could not grasp the idea of plagiarism being unethical I remember experiencing this at a private religious university. At the time, my hyper-religious mind was blown to see students outright cheating in the Testing Center. Since then I've been exposed to additional perspectives on plagiarism. It is an extremely deep and nuanced topic. A few years out of school, I ended up mentoring and then teaching college student…

Wait, this is interesting. I thought plagiarism is universally bad? Can someone explain?

People have to justify bad things otherwise they wouldn't do them. This is how we get racism, antisemitism and discrimination in general. A lot of taboo activities have an initial moral barrier and once you break it there is nothing stopping you from doing it over and over again.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by barry-cotter »

Zircom wrote: post #57

So this seems like a good time to ask, does anyone have experience with University of London's online degree and how US employers feel about it? I've been eyeing it for a couple years now and was wondering if anyone either has experience directly with this program, or at least can speak more to how US employer's feel about degrees from overseas. https://london.ac.uk/sites/default/files/prospectuses/comput... https://…

I’m doing a Master’s in Finance from CEFIMS[1]. It’s a taught Master’s so it’s just fifth year of undergrad, with higher grading standards, though not that much higher. I’ve found it reasonably rigorous and intellectually stimulating and to the extent it’s not rigorous a great deal of that is my own fault for not choosing harder courses. Can’t speak to the esteem it’s held in by US employers but it’s cheaper than almost anything equivalent in the US. If you want prestige and you’re in Software Engineering do Oxford’s M.Sc. They’ll accept enough quality work experience in lieu of a Bachelor’s[2]. You need to go to Oxford for a week for each module though, and the fees aren’t cheap. If you want a regionally accredited US degree cheap and fast people have gotten Excelsior College degrees in under a year. If that interests you go to degreeforum.net. It’s devoted to speed running the credential acquisition process at minimal cost. People have done GA Tech’s MS in CS after.

[1] https://www.cefims.ac.uk/

[2] http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/msc-software...

> However, more extensive experience may compensate for a lack of formal qualifications, and a strong, immediately-relevant qualification may compensate for a lack of professional experience.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by usrusr »

azinman2 wrote: post #186
BeetleB wrote: post #167

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> But if you can't do the middle-class job because you can't write, the piece of paper will only get you so far. It may get you an entry-level job, but you probably won't get much in the way of promotions. So even from that perspective, plagiarism isn't helpful. Where do these mythical jobs exist where being able to write well is a requirement for career growth? Certainly not at engineering companies. I wish what you…

Writing and communication skills are absolutely necessary for career growth. The power of persuasion is directly linked to the ability to communicate your ideas well.

Careers can be grown in many ways. In terms of career advancement, good writing will be outperformed by ruthless opportunism nine out of ten times. Cheating in education is identifying a metric and optimizing for that instead of the quality themetric is intended to measure and that strategy won't stop being effective upon getting a degree. Implication: no, "they are only hurting themselves" isn't a valid excuse.

Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Re: University of the People: Tuition-Free, Accredited Online Degree Programs

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Post by barry-cotter »

traverseda wrote: post #118
cy_hauser wrote: post #92

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I would speculate no. It's not a well recognized degree and has little history or experience to back it up.

Presume that my accomplishments stand on my own, and the only thing getting in my way is that I don't qualify for a VISA under NAFTA. What I'd need would be a > Baccalaureate or Licenciatura degree; or Post-Secondary Diploma or Post Secondary Certificate and three years' experience. Now you and I know this is pretty much just a sheet of paper, but what's the cheapest/easiest way for someone who already has profession…

> Now you and I know this is pretty much just a sheet of paper, but what's the cheapest/easiest way for someone who already has professional accomplishments to get that sheet of paper?

degreeforum.net exists to answer this question. Their answer is ~ credit by examination, prior learning assessment and transfer of credit to Excelsior, Charter Oak or TESU.

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