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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by epistasis »

hanifc wrote: post #212
monocasa wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were released 30 minutes later, with the governor apologizing saying there was no reason for them to be arrested. You're absolutely on the wrong side of this. On the wrong side of illegal arrests of the press. Of fucking CNN literally live broadcasting. > That statement is what fng hurts me to read - it's a mentality that whatever is presented is it, facts, reality, no questioning needed. I watched it live.

> You're absolutely on the wrong side of this. Are we counting being skeptical of a claim as taking the opposite side? Seems like the user is trying to understand the situation rather than advocate for a side.

It's not being skeptical, it's in fact the exact opposite of any form of skepticism: it's being so credulous to one "side" that you make up falsehoods to excuse bad behavior, instead of using that same time to look for actual facts.

I don't know how this style of thinking has in the past decade or so come to be thought of as "skepticism," it's just incredible bias against one side. A skeptical though process would be inventing equally fabulous motivations in all directions, not just one.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kaitai »

lurquer wrote: post #226

So, state police -- on a loudspeaker -- are "ordering" people to "leave the street immediately." The reporter admits he was told "to clear the area." The loudspeaker -- again -- explicitly states to "go back in the direction you came from." The reporter admits on air that they were "requested to move back." The cameraman also admits on air that "We were just out here reporting the CLOSURE OF THE STREETS." The dumbass…

The camera crew was told where to stand by the police prior to the arrest.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by wtallis »

corrupt_measure wrote: post #241
elil17 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually they had been filming continuously, and they had been previously told by police to stand where they were standing, and they had received no new instructions from the police since then, and there was an all-white group of reporters standing in a similar position on the other side of the police who did not get arrested. I understand the desire to come up with an explanation for what happened, I really do, but…

While it may be tempting to jump to a racial interpretation of the arrest, it appears that the CNN reporters were just standing in the wrong place and in the chaos of the moment were arrested.

> and in the chaos of the moment were arrested

What chaos? The scene shown in the video looks really calm, with one protester, several reporters, and a very large number of police standing around apparently doing nothing more than looking intimidating at that moment.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kaitai »

lurquer wrote: post #247
monocasa wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reporter was complying; he was asking which direction they should go when he was arrested.

How much time should the police give him to decide whether to walk 10 feet to the left, or 10 feet to the right? Three minutes? Five minutes? An hour? The cameraman was literally STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET while stating that they were there to report on the CLOSURE OF THE STREET.

The cameraman was literally standing where directed to stand by the police.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kevstev »

cryptica wrote: post #245
kevstev wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any proof to support your "obvious" claim? They were arrested live on air- early in the morning- I saw the 2 minutes or so leading up to their arrest, but not anything before.

Do you actually believe that the police force would send 50 heavily armed and shielded police officers to an area for the sole purpose of arresting 5 CNN reporters? Clearly, they were not actually sent to arrest 5 CNN reporters. The CNN reporters were arrested for interfering with the work of police officers on the site of a violent riot. If there was fire and broken stuff all around and a small army of police office…

For your first question- I have no idea. There was a heavy police presence in the area- I think they could have very well been sent to intimidate.

Your second statement is not clear to me at all, and you appear to have absolutely nothing to back up your statement. In the video they clearly asked where they should move to and got no response aside from "You are under arrest."

You are making baseless claims and don't even appear to have even watched any of the incident's video.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

lurquer wrote: post #247
monocasa wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reporter was complying; he was asking which direction they should go when he was arrested.

How much time should the police give him to decide whether to walk 10 feet to the left, or 10 feet to the right? Three minutes? Five minutes? An hour? The cameraman was literally STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET while stating that they were there to report on the CLOSURE OF THE STREET.

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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by bargl »

monocasa wrote: post #248
bargl wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cities can cut jobs, fire police, put police on notice etc. You might not feel like that is enough, but you better believe that any officer who costs the police money is going to be punished. Maybe not equally to someone else but that's not what I was saying.

> Cities can cut jobs, fire police They can, but they don't because it would be political suicide.

https://www.wtae.com/article/police-department-shuts-down-af...

Can and does. I'm not saying this is indicative of what frequently happens. But there can be real consequences for the police officers based on lawsuits. I also recognize this was not being pushed down from the city. My statement was an example of how police departments shutting down affect police and how that can happen.

I won't argue that police are appropriately punished due to misconduct. I will argue that they are punished.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by mc32 »

monocasa wrote: post #250
mc32 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not dissimilar to someone accused of harassment at work. It’s most typical the company pays and not the offender. People go after the money.

You don't get protected from criminal actions because you committed them at work though.

Depends on the union.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by corrupt_measure »

newacct583 wrote: post #4

Not an argument for this site I guess. But this is what happens when you have political leaders picking sides in violence. Trump literally tweeted "when the looting starts the shooting starts" (not before this event, of course -- it's an example). You think rhetoric like that doesn't have the effect of empowering police to abuse their power against people they don't like?

> "when the looting starts the shooting starts"

That's simply a recognition that looting begets violence, meaning that the looting must be stopped before things become more violent, and a call to action to those who appear content to let the looting run rampant as if it's somehow OK or justified.

In such an escalation both protestors and counter protestors would be shooting, so bringing the situation under control quickly is in the best interest of the protestors and the community as a whole.

Trump's tweet was just a recognition of that.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by bruceb »

relativitypro wrote: post #109
Frost1x wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took quite awhile before they decided to arrest the reporter (Omar Jimenez). I suspect the decision came from higher up given the time delay (due to communication). I was watching this particular reporter late last night / early this morning and his coverage was, IMO, excellent to give some context and feel for the ongoing situation. It was pretty surreal to watch, for me, and notice absolutely no actions from law…

Cannot be the right call. The tax payers lose in the coverage and they lose in the lawsuit. Having police officers paid so little that you put up with 18 violations, or willfully ignore them out of comraderie is fundamentally a system that is not sustainable or worth having pride over.

I don't know about MN but police officers are not paid a low salary in a number of jurisdictions.

Seattle starts at $65k+ and the avg is $100k.

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