this is the only thing that stops me from using Notion, too. just downloaded it and it looks like it would change my life... except i don't own the data. right now i'm trying out Outline [1] which has an option for self hosting. [1] https://github.com/outline/outline
I just checked out Outline. It seems strange that the landing page example is lifted straight from Stripe's docs[1] with "Stripe" replaced by "Acme". [1] https://stripe.com/docs/webhooks#what-are-webhooks
So I signed up and after looking around for a minute or two I still have no idea what Notion is. It seems to be a way to create lists of rich to do items with dates?
I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…
I’ve had a similar experience with Notion. “Jack of all trades and master of none” resonates strongly with me. This lead me to my latest startup https://froosthq.com/ which is Notion inspired and aimed solely at software teams.
Does this product "exist" yet or is it vaporware we're putting our email addresses in for? Page seems very light on info or even pricing.
I'm wondering how this impacts existing paying users. As far as I understand, by downgrading, we'd lose access to current 30-day revision history and access to an API that's still Coming Soon™.
I guess it makes sense to downgrade until API is actually released. "Coming soon" messaging seems promising, but yet again, it's been on their priority list for at least half a year now. Seems hardly justified to spend another $30 or so waiting for it.
This is kinda weird, because I was happily giving them $4/month after running out of space in their trial plan, and now I absolutely have no reason to keep giving them money. Which, sure, I guess I'll take it. My $4/month isn't going to make or break their business and they probably barely give a shit about getting money for personal usage. Does remind me that my usage of their app doesn't align with their business m…
Yeah, you might still have a reason though, if you upgrade to Personal Pro which gives you 30 days of version history
I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…
Good points. It seems you might enjoy Fibery[1], it addresses most of these problems (and has internal whiteboard as draw.io replacement as well). But I’m biased as a Fibery founder. [1] https://fibery.io
That button "I don't get it..." at the bottom right is genius.
The one thing that bothers me about Notion (and Slack and other "everything in one place" tools), is the lack of encryption. I might have FAANGophobia, but whenever there is a free tier without a form of end-to-end encryption in place, it feels like a data puddle waiting to become a lake. That being said, having clear-text data would allow features like an API on publicly shared pages/blocks, to use Notion as a CMS.…
There is no easy way to implement client side encryption. You will have a private key or long password the you will keep safe. You lose that all your data in gone. Plus it's difficult to securely move that password to a new platform
The idea is not to move the password, or any derived key, but the clear-text data. GDPR and other laws enforce that you give customers the right to access their data (in clear text), if possible in an interoperable form. Notion does so in CSV and Markdown, which is good enough to transfer to another service.
This is kinda weird, because I was happily giving them $4/month after running out of space in their trial plan, and now I absolutely have no reason to keep giving them money. Which, sure, I guess I'll take it. My $4/month isn't going to make or break their business and they probably barely give a shit about getting money for personal usage. Does remind me that my usage of their app doesn't align with their business m…
Github just did the same thing! It’s because the math works like this: They’d need 1,000 people to pay them $4 to match a single enterprise company paying them $4k/mo. So they just need one of those 1,000 people to bring Notion into their company, and they’re ahead. If they get 10, they’re way ahead. (This is slightly simplified, of course)
Don't overlook the importance of the economy. It's tough to get individual customers to pay $4/month for a service like this in a good economy. (They were already giving it away to academics, which will never be a lucrative market.) I wouldn't want to be selling Notion to individuals in an economy like this.
Worthwhile warning. While I'm not privy to all of the details, management was considering to make a complete move Notion but the whole plan for whipped due to privacy and data ownership / confidentiality concerns.