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Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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Maybe this is an unpopular opinion amidst the pitchforks, but do we not have better things to worry about at the moment? The system is inefficient and unfair, great lets put it on the list of things to fix, but a ~3% fee is not world ending (unlike some other things) and seems like a low priority.

We'll likely need to pipe more money into the system in the near future, so it makes sense to identify and plug some of the leaks.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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I'd like to see a version of this article and headline that figures out the effort required by the banks to administer a program like this. Quick read looks like 2.8% off the top, for 0 risk (10/349). Total businesses receiving loans was 1.6M ( https://www.pymnts.com/loans/2020/sba-lenders-approval-ppp-l... ) Average money a bank made per loan was 10,000,000,000/1,600,000 (assuming all banks made an equal distributio…

Perspective: 2.8% can get taken out of your credit card swipe too, and this is a heckuva lot harder than that.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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That also means that they could have easily waived the fees without taking much of a hit, just out of solidarity.

Businesses are not a charity - according to reported Q1 earnings last week they're losing million of dollars everyday just keeping the lights on. They've lost far more even with the fees they collected from this program. As someone said above - doctors are not working for free, why should bank employees?

> doctors are not working for free, why should bank employees?

Are rank-and-file bank employees getting a big chunk of those increased earnings? Seems like both doctors and bank employees are simply continuing to earn their regular paychecks, as they should. It's the banks' shareholders that are making way more money for basically zero risk. And execs, who get paid mostly in stock. That's the problem here.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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They offer some things now (deposits, travel cards, etc), but I am not sure they offer actual accounts anymore.

According to their website, they still offer almost everything a traditional bank does. Including personal loans, and mortgages [1]. 1: https://www.postoffice.co.uk/money

A lot of that is just rebranding of services offered by one of the normal, traditional banks though.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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Some quick numbers: - 10bn in Fees - 4975 Lenders - $2m per Lender I think this number doesn't seem unreasonable given the fact that the banks themselves are businesses - they have employees, training, technology, risks etc.

Is it a ton of extra work for them (the banks) though? With the way things are banks are no longer doing much of other things they normally would - business loans, mortgages, auto loans etc. This program would merely occupy those otherwise-would-be-idle employees' time. And the banks aren't loaning out their own money either, so where's the risk?

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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Gotta ask whether the banking system makes sense in its current form. - Part of it is actually a utility. Payments, sending money from one place to another, making sure there's an account at the other end of that number. Everyone needs this, yet being a huge international network there isn't a whole lot that one bank offers that another cannot. - Part of it is deciding who to lend money to. Makes sense for the bank t…

You miss the trust part. I want to transfer big sum of money, essentially my life savings to someone. Who do I choose for the job: - local post office - some crypto mumbo-jumbo that a lot of criminals use - huge institution with daily income five orders of magnitude more than the sum I am talking about, regulated up to a dollar with 100 years of history of earning international trust - some other option ?

The local post office, backed by the USG, with hundreds of thousands of employees and deals in billions of dollars per year? That tiny little enterprise? Is that what you're talking about like it's diminutive?

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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Imagine if you lived with an attitude like this...entitled to something just for being born. Genuinely curious: where does this come from?

Most theories of the good hold that you are certainly entitled to things just for being born - take your life for instance. Your alternative conception is far outside the norm.

"Most theories of the good hold that you are certainly entitled to things just for being born - take your life for instance."

Where can more information be found about "theories of the good"? What about this thing we call money - how much are we entitled to and from who?

Can anyone explain what the benefit is of living an existence feeling entitled to something tangible such as money?

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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> Trump team didn't put in enough money You know, the president doesn't write legislation or appropriate money. That's on Congress.

Yes, because we know exactly where the buck doesn't stop. They're getting ready for round 2, and if the rule setters do the same thing, we'll get the same result. People want to blame the banks -- and banks share the blame -- but they are not the root cause. The legislated rules are like physics, you don't get mad at the water flowing wrong but at the people who planned the river. The planning committee is doing all…

Saying that Trump is to blame for the implementation details because he has the veto power is a little silly. Congress, on both sides of the aisle, has responsibility for any flaws in the legislation.

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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post #237

I'd like to see a version of this article and headline that figures out the effort required by the banks to administer a program like this. Quick read looks like 2.8% off the top, for 0 risk (10/349). Total businesses receiving loans was 1.6M ( https://www.pymnts.com/loans/2020/sba-lenders-approval-ppp-l... ) Average money a bank made per loan was 10,000,000,000/1,600,000 (assuming all banks made an equal distributio…

I don't think the PPP loan program was "0 risk" and I don't think banks perceived it that way. If they could easily make 2.8% for 0 actual/perceived risk, there would be no reason for any bank to deny any potentially qualified applicant.

From what I read a number of national banks (eg. BofA, Chase, etc) only offered to loan to customers with previous/existing loans (banks reducing risk). I think they were wary of underwriting risk (even though the USA government made assurances to banks) and risk of perception / reputation risk if any companies they applied on behalf of turned out to defraud the PPP program (possible future reputation damage).

Re: Small business rescue earned banks $10B in fees

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Not a popular opinion but considering the effort involved, should they not have earned fees? Should they have donated their time and resources? I'm sure it took a monumental effort to pull it together with the lack of clarity being handed down and the volume of loans to process in a short period of time. If the government wanted to do for $0 fees they would have figured out how to do it themselves. If a private busin…

Currently there are hospitals who are going bankrupt because of they've been forced to stop doing work which pays the bill and instead turn into emergency care providers at war scale.

Retailers have been forced to invested in 2 meter rule things and, perspex everywhere.

Why can't the Banks of all institutions be expected to, you know, give something back? You'd almost think that money is their core business so they always know how to come out ahead.

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