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Situations like this make me wonder how much money there is to be made by going remote.
I live in Germany and work for US companies, which is quite lucrative. I only work a few months a year.
Mind elaborating on this?
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Correct. I can barely reach 120k usd in a fairly high salary eu country, while with the same expertise in USA could go easily above 300k
Odd. I was on 143k usd before I left London and now work remotely for about 188k usd for a UK company. This was was with stock options as well. I'm still contacted by recruiters for salaries around that so the jobs exists. All anecdotal but it does mean it's possible.
I was on 143k usd before I left London and now work remotely for about 188k usd for a UK company. This was was with stock options as well.
As a salaried employee, that would be exceptionally high in almost any field. Obviously some such jobs exist, but unless you're a very senior figure in a relatively well-paid industry, you're an outlier at that compensation level.
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Orthogonal to your anecdote, tech salaries in London are ridiculously low :(
Welcome to Europe. European salaries in general are low. Take home pay too, and goods and services are much more expensive. It's important for people to realize this, that "free" healthcare, education, etc. are far from free.
I'll take "paid parental leave, not being let go on a moment's notice and not being bankrupted by unforeseen medical issues for everybody" over "a bit more cash just for me".
It's also worth noting that the U.S' "not free" healthcare costs the taxpayer more than (for example) the U.K.'s "free" system (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan...). It's almost as if the word 'free' is not a useful term to use when describing government-subsidised services.
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> You cannot have these high salaries without someone else getting shafted. There simply isn't enough money for everyone to be earning like this. Please substantiate your claim to this being zero sum. It does not seem self-evident.
I made no such claim. You're reading that into my words. If I have a data set from which I pick a value higher than the median there must be a value lower than the median ... otherwise the median would be higher. It's not a statement about economics but about math. I'm not saying there cannot be economic growth (though, generally, wage inequality is rising so most people aren't seeing the benefits of this).
It sounds like you’re saying that if GP fights for higher salary, that comes from the loss of someone already making less than him. Whereas many of us have the impression that higher salaries come at the loss of investors or shareholders, who are usually better off than yourself.
Otherwise, who exactly are you shafting by asking for a higher salary?
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Orthogonal to your anecdote, tech salaries in London are ridiculously low :(
US median family income was $60,336 in 2017, and $71,805 in California[1]. Junior developers in Silicon Valley have starting salaries around $110000, and I've heard for new college graduates getting up to $150K. I.e. twice median family income. You cannot have these high salaries without someone else getting shafted. There simply isn't enough money for everyone to be earning like this. Whether you consider inequality…
California is a big state. San Francisco median income is over $100,000, and you are still not going to be able to get your own apartment in that much.
I'd argue that software developers are underpaid, considering large tech companies had been illegally colluding for years to restrict competition and keep wages low.
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>Nothing can come good out of sharing my salary with current coworkers. Care to expand?
If I make more than they do and they think they should make the same amount, what’s to stop them from storming into the HR department and bringing my name up as a reason that they should make more? Even though it is illegal to fire someone for discussing salary, that and a nickel will buy me a piece of five cent candy. If they make more than I do, what am I going to do with that piece of information? I can’t very wel…
If you know what your coworkers make, you have a better idea what you can negotiate up to than if you didn't. That's true even if you can't go into a discussion and name names and dollar amounts that you know.
If a coworker told me their compensation, I would not reveal that in a discussion about my own pay. I hope that the reverse is also true. I think it's a mature and cool-headed position to have. Not everybody is mature and cool-headed though.
I have also heard the best way to get a raise is to move companies. I like my job though.
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Roughly $5k/year out of pocket, with employers posting $17k for full family coverage for very good insurance (as it goes in the US). Health care costs in the us are the most burdensome on the working poor and lower middle class because they stay a fixed cost even as income rises. For well paid tech workers, moving to the US and going from $75k to $105k/ year (the median for the US BTW) is probably going to be a good…
> Roughly $5k/year out of pocket That's for single young men. My mother pays > 1k per month for herself and my stepdad monthly. That's not unusual, and she has excellent insurance.
> That's for single young men.
I'd say it's for any single employee (with the young being ripped off if they pay that much).
But yes it generally doubles or more for spouse or family coverage.
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#258Surprised how many people in SF make less than me (Atlanta) and have more experience. I thought it was basically unlivable there unless you’re pulling in big money.
Unlivable claims are greatly exaggerated. You'll be with roommates or a very small apartment on less than $100k income, but otherwise you'll get along just fine. Usually it's people expecting a Midwest lifestyle of 3 kids, a huge yard, and 6 bedrooms.
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I live in Germany and work for US companies, which is quite lucrative. I only work a few months a year.
Mind elaborating on this?
With US payments Germany is rather cheap.
If you make >100€/hour and only need 20k€/year you can calculate how much hours you need to work a year to pay for everything.
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I made no such claim. You're reading that into my words. If I have a data set from which I pick a value higher than the median there must be a value lower than the median ... otherwise the median would be higher. It's not a statement about economics but about math. I'm not saying there cannot be economic growth (though, generally, wage inequality is rising so most people aren't seeing the benefits of this).
It sounds like you’re saying that if GP fights for higher salary, that comes from the loss of someone already making less than him. Whereas many of us have the impression that higher salaries come at the loss of investors or shareholders, who are usually better off than yourself. Otherwise, who exactly are you shafting by asking for a higher salary?
I'm not talking about individuals asking for higher salary. I'm talking about societal inequality. You cannot have a large group of people earning a lot more than the median income without having a large group earning a lot less.
European salaries are lower in part because Europe has less inequality than the US. It's a feature not a bug. That's the main point.
On an individual level I'm all for people negotiating, and for transparency in salaries so the workforce knows what is fair.